![]() |
![]() |
#1 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,590
|
![]()
Hi,
New addition, 7 3/4 inch blade O.A. just shy of 12 inches. I guess second half 19thC, it is sharp starting approx 2 inches up from the point I presume to keep the point thicker and sturdier. It still has the brass insert which appears to be missing on quite a few. Very 'comfortable' in hand. Any and all replies appreciated. Regards, Norman. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
![]()
Hi Norman,
Very nice example of a Punal (dagger) Type B. As you rightly say, probobly made in Albacete in the second half of the 19th century. These insert blade types are very interesting. What does it do? ![]() Best Gene P.S. Carlos has got an impressive selection fo these: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16211 |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
![]()
As a little post-script. My Type B also has no attempt at an edge near the point. In fact. On mine (shown below) the first 3cm are not edged. Very reminicent of an armour piercing tip. Well noted Norman, I don't think I've seen it mentioned before.
Perhaps Carlos will see this and can offer a comparison with his numerous examples? |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,590
|
![]()
Hi Gene,
Thanks for coming in on this, trawling the past threads I did note you had a certain penchant for these daggers. ![]() ![]() My Regards, Norman. P.S. It would be interesting if those members who have one/some of these daggers to check out if theirs has an unsharpened point and to what extent up the blade it remains so. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 731
|
![]()
Hello !!
Congratulations with this adquisition !! Thanks for comment my collection, In Spain this type of knives are common in collectors web pages or antiques shop web page, and not more expensive. I have seen my examples and I have seen one with this type without edged near the point. Best regards carlos |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
![]()
Hi Guys,
Well you know I'm always ready to talk about these! I've tried to photograph the ppoint of mine edge-on to illustrate. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,590
|
![]()
Hi Gene, Carlos,
Apologies for not getting back sooner. See the not very good image, hand held compact camera under a desk lamp ![]() ![]() Regards, Norman. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
![]() Quote:
Thats very interesting, your's seems to have exactly the same tip as mine. I'm sure Carlos knows more about these than I. As far as I know, although the 'type' goes back at least into the 18th century, the specific form of the type B, like yours and mine are usually attributed to the second half 19thC. I've seen lots of slightly more elaborte ones (If memory serves often the lantern hilt type) with dated blades, often the dates are in the 1870s or around there. I would say that if you claimed both of ours were made around then, you wouldn't be far out. Mid to late second half 19thC ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 692
|
![]()
Here is mine, what a wonderfull couple they would make together!
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,590
|
![]()
Hi Guys,
Many thanks for your input and info on this dagger. Gene, I can understand your fascination with these daggers, nice wee things ![]() ![]() My Regards, Norman. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
![]() Quote:
Now, you know I don't like to conjecture or repeat rumours etc ![]() No, not me, just cold facts here ![]() But..... In searching for these online I have come across many references to 'alleged' maritime use. I've seen it claimed that the 'type B' were used by sailors/fishermen etc. I've seen claims of them being used to repair sails and nets. I've even seen them described as 'Dirks'. Now, although I've never managed to find anything that actually corroborates any of that, It 'might' explain the tip being 'edgeless'? If it was to double as a 'stitching awl' it might be better that it pushes the material apart without any 'slicing' that might lead to a rip? Just a thought. Best Gene |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,590
|
![]()
Hi Gene,
I see where your coming from, I'l have a good rake on the net and see what comes up. The awl part is difficult in that the eye for twine/thread should be nearer the point, to my mind it is too far up the blade to be practical and also some blades don't have the piercings. Still it's worth pursuing you never know. Thanks for your continued interest. My Regards, Norman. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
![]() Quote:
Just making holes. Definately no use for actually threading twine. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 | |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,590
|
![]() Quote:
Hi Gene, See what you mean, I got the wrong end of the stick. ![]() My Regards, Norman |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 |
Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 413
|
![]()
Hello All,
Pardon me if I've missed it, but I have not found a satisfactory explanation for the cutouts and holes in the blades of these knives. At one time there was a suggestion that it had something to do with sail making. At another time, a place to put poison, or a mount for jewels -- yet no evidence for any theory that I could find. I showed my knives to an expert sailor, familiar with the history of the sailmaking craft, and he could not fathom a reason for the design. He was very concerned about the sharp points and edges on the knives near valuable fabric. Here are two pictures of my Albacete puñals. One is considerably larger but other than that they are VERY similar, EXCEPT … note the arrows pointing to two locations on each knife. In one case holes, in the other, no holes. What is the explanation?!??!? ![]() Best Regards, Dave A. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|