Is this kilij real?

ariel · 6th March 2017, 06:20 AM

It ended on E-Bay for ~$1250. Advertised as "antique... with possibly real silver crossguard"
I have a very uneasy feeling about it:
1. Wooden handle with no signs of usage and with reddish traces of wood stain in the incisions
2. The crossguard is extremely crude: I haven't seen real Ottoman or Iranian ones of such poor quality
3. My main concern is with the blade: it is pitted and patinated, but the "golden" inscriptions on top of all that crud are perfectly intact.

Overall, it looks to me like a very modern Syrian creation.

Am I being paranoid?

ALEX · 6th March 2017, 07:14 AM

Of course not real. It's being discussed here before. They started making them in Turkey circa early 21st Century

Not a single part is antique here, nor gold or silver, not even "inlay" is real.

A.alnakkas · 6th March 2017, 07:16 AM

Made two days ago and antiqued yesterday

ALEX · 6th March 2017, 01:08 PM

Here is old discussion LINK I posted here 7 years ago.
Judging by closing amount, some bidders lacking awareness took the word "antique" seriously.. not a case of a lucky winner here.

sfenoid13 · 17th March 2017, 09:42 PM

this has to be either form India or Syria, fake of course. In turkey I dont think make swords like these..there is no market for them with this type of calligraphy..in my opinion..

mariusgmioc · 18th March 2017, 12:29 AM

They make them in India.

A.alnakkas · 18th March 2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

They make them in India.

Made in Syria prior to the revolution. The workshop supposedly moved to the Saudi Capital Riyadh. There is a great quantity of these in the Saudi antique market now.

YataganMan · 18th March 2017, 10:05 PM

These very cheaply produced Turkish Swords ??? were all made in Syria and the Turkish market was fıloded with the same.Initially going prices were 50 US dollars a piece but later such prices have risen to 000 s until the war break up in Syria.Some European Auction houses even put some of these in their catalogues whether knowingly or not as genuine.

6th March 2017, 06:20 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Is this kilij real? It ended on E-Bay for ~$1250. Advertised as "antique... with possibly real silver crossguard" I have a very uneasy feeling about it: 1. Wooden handle with no signs of usage and with reddish traces of wood stain in the incisions 2. The crossguard is extremely crude: I haven't seen real Ottoman or Iranian ones of such poor quality 3. My main concern is with the blade: it is pitted and patinated, but the "golden" inscriptions on top of all that crud are perfectly intact. Overall, it looks to me like a very modern Syrian creation. Am I being paranoid? Attached Images

18th March 2017, 10:05 PM	#8
YataganMan Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14	Fake swords These very cheaply produced Turkish Swords ??? were all made in Syria and the Turkish market was fıloded with the same.Initially going prices were 50 US dollars a piece but later such prices have risen to 000 s until the war break up in Syria.Some European Auction houses even put some of these in their catalogues whether knowingly or not as genuine.

6th March 2017, 07:14 AM	#2
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Of course not real. It's being discussed here before. They started making them in Turkey circa early 21st Century Not a single part is antique here, nor gold or silver, not even "inlay" is real.

6th March 2017, 07:16 AM	#3
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Made two days ago and antiqued yesterday

6th March 2017, 01:08 PM	#4
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Here is old discussion LINK I posted here 7 years ago. Judging by closing amount, some bidders lacking awareness took the word "antique" seriously.. not a case of a lucky winner here.

17th March 2017, 09:42 PM	#5
sfenoid13 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 134	this has to be either form India or Syria, fake of course. In turkey I dont think make swords like these..there is no market for them with this type of calligraphy..in my opinion..

18th March 2017, 12:29 AM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	They make them in India.