Origin of old 5 luk keris.

[asomotif]

This keris is soon comming my way.
It comes from a pre WW 2 collection.
Any suggestions to its origin.

Madura has been suggested by the seller,
but the hit to me is Ceribon, and the wrangka reminds me of the ones i recently saw on Banjarmasin keris.

Open for comments...

Best regards,
Willem

[asomotif]

One more picture from the seller.

[David]

The sloping gandik makes me think Madura.

[Jean]

I saw this piece on a Dutch site but have no clear opinion about its origin except the hilt from North Coast Java. Is the blade original with the sheath or not?
Regards

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

I saw this piece on a Dutch site but have no clear opinion about its origin except the hilt from North Coast Java. Is the blade original with the sheath or not?
Regards

Yes Jean, i thought that about the hilt as well, but it is certainly possible that these pieces came together at a later date. The nature of the blade still seems Madura to me, but obviously there are some other elements to consider as well.

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Jean

I saw this piece on a Dutch site but have no clear opinion about its origin except the hilt from North Coast Java. Is the blade original with the sheath or not?
Regards

Hello Jean,

Although the fit is not bad, I think the blade and scabbard where made to fit.
The wrangka has a unusual repair with a different kind of
wood.
Also there is clearly some woodfiller used between wrangka and gandar.

Best regards,
Willem

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by David

Yes Jean, i thought that about the hilt as well, but it is certainly possible that these pieces came together at a later date. The nature of the blade still seems Madura to me, but obviously there are some other elements to consider as well.

Hello David,

Here some pictures of the blade.

I found out that the previous owner got it from his grandmother, she was born and lived in Surabaya till after WW2.

Best regards,
Willem

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Jean

Is the blade original with the sheath or not?
Regards

Dear Jean,
Any suggestions on the sheath / fitting of the blade / the odd repair of the wrangka ?

Best regards,
Willem

[Jean]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Dear Jean,
Any suggestions on the sheath / fitting of the blade / the odd repair of the wrangka ?

Best regards,
Willem

Dear Willem,
I have still no clear idea since the warangka was repaired and may be modified but considering the style of the blade and history of the kris I would agree about the East Java/ Madura provenance.
Best regards
Jean

[Sajen]

Hello Willem,

the blade isn't a masterwork of art, the beautiful handle is the real price by this keris. I too think that the ensemble is composed.

Regards,

Detlef

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Willem,

the blade isn't a masterwork of art, the beautiful handle is the real price by this keris. I too think that the ensemble is composed.

Regards,

Detlef

Hello Detlef,

Although it is a simple blade, I always like the 5 luk shape.
Do you think this blade has pamor ?

Best regards,
Willem

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hello Detlef,

Although it is a simple blade, I always like the 5 luk shape.
Do you think this blade has pamor ?

Best regards,
Willem

Hello Willem,

yes, I think so and believe to see it.

Best regards,

Detlef