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Old 11th October 2006, 05:51 PM   #1
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Default Throwing Knife for French and Belgian fans

I got this Zande blade the other day in town. They are not cheap! PM me on this matter? It was certainly cheaper than some I have seen, perhaps as it has no engraving I could just about afford it. You can see how the smith has had trouble maintaining heat, at least you know it was not cut from scrap/trade iron sheet then further formed. Why are some white and other black? this is so with many knives. I have asked this before. I wonder if anyone has a spare handle/materials?



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Old 11th October 2006, 07:58 PM   #2
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Looking at this with a glass it becomes clear that this is forged of four small pieces of metal. I would imagine the metal was rather precious at the time this was made. Perhaps it is a little older than I had at first thought. That may explain the patina and why to me I thought it was rather expensive.
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Old 12th October 2006, 07:47 AM   #3
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Nice find, Tim.

And...prices in Belgium for these kinds of knives are rather hight, too. You have to be lucky to find a cheap one (when the seller doesn't know what he's selling )

You say it's a plain one, but I don't have any trouble with this. If it's a real weapon, why would anyone take the time to decorate it ? Especially when it's a weapon used for throwing, with the chance to loose it.

In my opinion, the heavily decorated throwing knives are more for 'show'. By this I mean, to show the owner's wealth.

As to the handle, I've checked in some books (and sites), it can be anything : a leather bag, a woven bag, some copper binding,etc... In www.mambele.be , I've also seen a similar one with a 'cloth' handle. Perhaps this would be the easiest way to make a handle. Just use a dirty piece of canvas.

I have a Zulgo throwing knife which has this type of handle. I don't think it's that old (I mean the handle), but it works.




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Old 13th October 2006, 10:44 AM   #4
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A copper binding like on the picture would be nice...
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Old 13th October 2006, 12:14 PM   #5
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Nice KIPINGA Tim !
It is one of the great form of African TK, now you have one.
It's true all the TK are expensive but fascinating.
Here is mine:
http://lulef.free.fr/html/zande.html

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Old 13th October 2006, 04:46 PM   #6
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Thanks for the advice. Since this most probably had a simple handle that may have rotted away years ago I shall just leave it as is. I have put it in the hallway with other things that are less obviously frightening to visitors.
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Old 13th October 2006, 05:26 PM   #7
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Nice display, Tim.

I like the sword/knife blade with the many curves. Where did you find this one ?

In my opinion, it's a Luba blade.
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Old 13th October 2006, 05:37 PM   #8
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Thank you Freddy. Apparently there is only one other known example in a collection. I am not swinging from the lamp shade just on one books say so but I am rather glad to know I have a very rare piece. I got it in a junk shop. It was just on the flour all rusty. I paid the price of a curry and two pints of beer. Not bad .
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Old 13th October 2006, 07:52 PM   #9
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Sorry, Tim. Apparently, I was wrong in attributing this knife to the Luba.

In 'Rare African Short Weapons' by Manfred A. Zirngibl (1983) I found a picture of a sword almost identical to yours. Based on the handle, the author attributes this sword to the Medje or Makere. The length is 48 cm.

This is what he writes :

This knife with its highly original blade shaped like a snake comes from the Zande or Mangbetu region. Although various museum records as well as several design characteristics such as the engravings on the blade and the relatively heavy-looking ivory handle indicate that it is a Medje or Makere product, it is not possible to classify the piece accurately
All that is certain however is that the knife - based on the shape of its blade - could not have functioned as a weapon. In spite of the sharp cutting edges, it could only have been used as a cult or ornamental knife.




Does your knife blade has any engravings ?
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Old 13th October 2006, 08:07 PM   #10
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Freddy, my blade has the very same engraving. pictures can be seen on this thread. i am surprised that you missed it .
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2266
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Old 13th October 2006, 08:24 PM   #11
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I must have been looking for 'goodies' that day, because I missed that thread.
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