Good feeling?

blacklacrau · 7th February 2008, 12:00 PM

I bought this and I receive it now... your opinion? behind this lousy look...red look... could be a beauty tombak? a "Ugly Duckling"

Andrew · 7th February 2008, 01:20 PM

Yes.

blacklacrau · 7th February 2008, 02:41 PM

More photos before i start cleaning...

josh stout · 7th February 2008, 03:42 PM

Unless you see some folding lines, I would guess that it is late 20th C. from Java. I have one just like it. I have not seen the red paint before though. The paint might be for tourists, but the Chinese are also known to paint blades red that are no longer being used. This may be to help against the bad luck of a weapon that has been used.
Josh

Rick · 7th February 2008, 03:44 PM

I'd suggest a long soak in Pineapple juice .

Henk · 7th February 2008, 06:17 PM

A very nice tombak. I think the paint was put up by some @*/!?@*//!!.
I agree with Rick a nice long soak in pineapple or lemmon juice. Lemmon needs a bit more control.

Jim McDougall · 8th February 2008, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh stout

Unless you see some folding lines, I would guess that it is late 20th C. from Java. I have one just like it. I have not seen the red paint before though. The paint might be for tourists, but the Chinese are also known to paint blades red that are no longer being used. This may be to help against the bad luck of a weapon that has been used.
Josh

Josh,
The comment on the Chinese painting blades red that are no longer in use is most interesting. Could you elaborate a bit on that? Some time ago I was trying to discover more on the color red being used on weapons.

Does anyone else have one of these weapons that might be viewed comparitively with this one and might post it?

Best regards,
JIm

fernando · 9th February 2008, 10:47 PM

Hi Black lacrau ( scorpian ),
Some similarity between your spear head and the one in this link.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3087
Only mine was bought in an small antiquarian in Ponte de Lima.
Meus cumprimentos / My compliments
Fernando

josh stout · 11th February 2008, 04:48 PM

[QUOTE=Jim McDougall]Josh,
The comment on the Chinese painting blades red that are no longer in use is most interesting. Could you elaborate a bit on that? Some time ago I was trying to discover more on the color red being used on weapons....QUOTE]

Sorry that is about all I know. Chinese villagers often paint over a blade rather than oiling it. The ones I have were done with silver paint, one on a folded blade and one on a practice/performance piece. Phillip and Scott discussed the occasional piece with red paint, and I think there may be a Taoist component, but you would have to ask them. Tibetan things often have traces of red on the fittings or scabbard, but that would have been part of the original decoration and related to Buddhist iconography.
Josh

Mark · 11th February 2008, 05:42 PM

Not a red-painted blade, but this poor fellow had a gloppy coating of red paint on the scabbard & handle, clearly applied recently, as it slopped over onto the fittings. It is a Shan style dha, from eastern Burma or northern Thailand.

Here is another one (Kachin this time, from Northern Burma), where the red might have been original.

No idea what the red signifies, though.

ferrylaki · 12th February 2008, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I'd suggest a long soak in Pineapple juice .

I'd also suggest to soak it an pineapple juice. and immediately clean the iron. take another pictures and show it to us. it shows a healthy shape to me, but I have a guess that the pesi( lower part of the spear) is been cut, or maybe its just my oppinion. let us see the lower part after you clean it.
I'm waiting....

blacklacrau · 14th February 2008, 03:16 PM

After a "long soak in Pineapple juice"

whit a little adiction os citric acid (the juice was too sweet)...

Could anyone now give a help identifying the piece? origin, culture, genuinity, possible age?

Thanks a lot in advance to all...best regards! It´s a pleasure to participate in a forum of this quality.

Os meus cumprimento to Fernando

Henk · 14th February 2008, 06:18 PM

Tombak. I would say Java.

blacklacrau · 22nd February 2008, 11:22 AM

No more comments

????

Comments and evaluations would be much appreciated

I appreciate your help, because I want to know what I have in hands.
Any more knowledge is welcome.

7th February 2008, 12:00 PM	#1
blacklacrau Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 50	Good feeling? I bought this and I receive it now... your opinion? behind this lousy look...red look... could be a beauty tombak? a "Ugly Duckling" Attached Images

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blacklacrau Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 50	more photos More photos before i start cleaning... Attached Images

7th February 2008, 03:44 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,285	Cleaning I'd suggest a long soak in Pineapple juice .

11th February 2008, 05:42 PM	#10
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Not a red-painted blade, but this poor fellow had a gloppy coating of red paint on the scabbard & handle, clearly applied recently, as it slopped over onto the fittings. It is a Shan style dha, from eastern Burma or northern Thailand. Here is another one (Kachin this time, from Northern Burma), where the red might have been original. No idea what the red signifies, though. Last edited by Mark; 9th June 2008 at 03:19 PM.

14th February 2008, 03:16 PM	#12
blacklacrau Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 50	After a "long soak in Pineapple juice" whit a little adiction os citric acid (the juice was too sweet)... Could anyone now give a help identifying the piece? origin, culture, genuinity, possible age? Thanks a lot in advance to all...best regards! It´s a pleasure to participate in a forum of this quality. Os meus cumprimento to Fernando Attached Images Last edited by blacklacrau; 15th February 2008 at 10:27 AM. Reason: Better pictures

7th February 2008, 01:20 PM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Yes.

7th February 2008, 03:42 PM	#4
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	Unless you see some folding lines, I would guess that it is late 20th C. from Java. I have one just like it. I have not seen the red paint before though. The paint might be for tourists, but the Chinese are also known to paint blades red that are no longer being used. This may be to help against the bad luck of a weapon that has been used. Josh

7th February 2008, 06:17 PM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	A very nice tombak. I think the paint was put up by some @/!?@//!!. I agree with Rick a nice long soak in pineapple or lemmon juice. Lemmon needs a bit more control.

9th February 2008, 10:47 PM	#8
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Black lacrau ( scorpian ), Some similarity between your spear head and the one in this link. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3087 Only mine was bought in an small antiquarian in Ponte de Lima. Meus cumprimentos / My compliments Fernando

11th February 2008, 04:48 PM	#9
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	[QUOTE=Jim McDougall]Josh, The comment on the Chinese painting blades red that are no longer in use is most interesting. Could you elaborate a bit on that? Some time ago I was trying to discover more on the color red being used on weapons....QUOTE] Sorry that is about all I know. Chinese villagers often paint over a blade rather than oiling it. The ones I have were done with silver paint, one on a folded blade and one on a practice/performance piece. Phillip and Scott discussed the occasional piece with red paint, and I think there may be a Taoist component, but you would have to ask them. Tibetan things often have traces of red on the fittings or scabbard, but that would have been part of the original decoration and related to Buddhist iconography. Josh

14th February 2008, 06:18 PM	#13
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Tombak. I would say Java.

22nd February 2008, 11:22 AM	#14
blacklacrau Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 50	No more comments ???? Comments and evaluations would be much appreciated I appreciate your help, because I want to know what I have in hands. Any more knowledge is welcome.