Two Badeks for comment

Marcus · 7th January 2017, 04:11 PM

These two little gems came from Oriental Arms. The one with the silver scabbard I got some time ago and the other was a recent acquisition. Artzi attributes them both to Java but Zonneveld indicates that bakeks were used on Sumatra, Madura and Sulawesi as well. Anyone able to offer a more specific association for either one of these?

Sajen · 7th January 2017, 04:39 PM

Hello Marcus,

sadly I have to correct Artzi again, the first one isn't a badik but a sekin from Sumatra, Padang Highlands, the "greneng" at the base, called a'jour, is the giveaway also the typical bird shaped handle is typical for this daggers. A very nice example!

I still look byself for a dagger like this. Artzi has sold in the past already some of this daggers but has described them every time as badik. Search here in the forum with the keyword "sekin", you will find a few examples. But the name sekin is also used for a short sword from the Batak people, see T.W.O.T.I.A. from Albert G. van Zonneveld, page 119.

The dagger in down is indeed a badik and here I am with Artzi, I think that this one coming from Java. Also a nice example.

Regards,
Detlef

P.S.: forget, both pieces could need a little TLC

Marcus · 7th January 2017, 04:49 PM

Thanks for pointing that one out.
Marcus

Sajen · 7th January 2017, 04:50 PM

Regarging sekin look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sekin
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sekin
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sekin

Sajen · 7th January 2017, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

Thanks for pointing that one out.
Marcus

You're welcome!

mariusgmioc · 7th January 2017, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

P.S.: forget, both pieces could need a little TLC

Hello Detlef,

What is "TLC?"

Norman McCormick · 7th January 2017, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello Detlef,

What is "TLC?"

Tender Loving Care

Sajen · 7th January 2017, 09:57 PM

Thank you Norman!

A. G. Maisey · 8th January 2017, 12:53 AM

Silver one is Jawa.

Sajen · 8th January 2017, 11:00 AM

Here a sekin which was sold recently by ebay. This one is without file work at the base.

Maurice · 8th January 2017, 08:39 PM

Here another sekin, 40.5 cm in length.
This sekin is now in the collection of a good friend.

Regards,
Maurice

Sajen · 8th January 2017, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Artzi has sold in the past already some of this daggers but has described them every time as badik.

Sorry,

write down this in remembrance of an own search by Oriental Arms, but have found two examples by the keyword "sewar" instead of "badik". Sorry for any confusion.
It has been this both pieces.

Sajen · 8th January 2017, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

Here another sekin, 40.5 cm in length.
This sekin is now in the collection of a good friend.

Hi Maurice,

unusual piece, never seen such a handle by a sekin.

But I would call it as well as sekin, maby other origin?

Regards,
Detlef

CharlesS · 9th January 2017, 01:39 PM

TLC...on the silver one I would suggest at least an oiling of the blade to remove as much light rust as possible, and some ammonia and a soft brush to remove the unsightly old polish residue on the scabbard.

Marcus · 9th January 2017, 02:34 PM

http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=705

Detlef,
Do you agree?

Sajen · 9th January 2017, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

TLC...on the silver one I would suggest at least an oiling of the blade to remove as much light rust as possible, and some ammonia and a soft brush to remove the unsightly old polish residue on the scabbard.

Yes, this I have meant. And the handle of the sekin could use some oiling.

Sajen · 9th January 2017, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=705

Detlef,
Do you agree?

Hi Marcus,

no, I think it's a little bit unusual sewar. Unusual because the file work at the base of the blade. Handle and scabbard are typical for a sewar.

7th January 2017, 04:11 PM	#1
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Two Badeks for comment These two little gems came from Oriental Arms. The one with the silver scabbard I got some time ago and the other was a recent acquisition. Artzi attributes them both to Java but Zonneveld indicates that bakeks were used on Sumatra, Madura and Sulawesi as well. Anyone able to offer a more specific association for either one of these? Attached Images

7th January 2017, 04:49 PM	#3
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Sekin Thanks for pointing that one out. Marcus

8th January 2017, 11:00 AM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Here a sekin which was sold recently by ebay. This one is without file work at the base. Attached Images

8th January 2017, 08:39 PM	#11
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,346	Sekin, Padang highlands Here another sekin, 40.5 cm in length. This sekin is now in the collection of a good friend. Regards, Maurice Attached Images Last edited by Maurice; 8th January 2017 at 09:08 PM.

9th January 2017, 02:34 PM	#15
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Another "sewar" that's a sekin http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=705 Detlef, Do you agree?

7th January 2017, 04:39 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello Marcus, sadly I have to correct Artzi again, the first one isn't a badik but a sekin from Sumatra, Padang Highlands, the "greneng" at the base, called a'jour, is the giveaway also the typical bird shaped handle is typical for this daggers. A very nice example! I still look byself for a dagger like this. Artzi has sold in the past already some of this daggers but has described them every time as badik. Search here in the forum with the keyword "sekin", you will find a few examples. But the name sekin is also used for a short sword from the Batak people, see T.W.O.T.I.A. from Albert G. van Zonneveld, page 119. The dagger in down is indeed a badik and here I am with Artzi, I think that this one coming from Java. Also a nice example. Regards, Detlef P.S.: forget, both pieces could need a little TLC

7th January 2017, 04:50 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Regarging sekin look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sekin http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sekin http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sekin

7th January 2017, 09:57 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Thank you Norman!

8th January 2017, 12:53 AM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Silver one is Jawa.

9th January 2017, 01:39 PM	#14
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	TLC...on the silver one I would suggest at least an oiling of the blade to remove as much light rust as possible, and some ammonia and a soft brush to remove the unsightly old polish residue on the scabbard.