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I like a lot this dapur
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Dear Marco,
Basically, your keris has "two dhapurs" in one blade. That is luk three "naga" dhapur, and an "urubing dilah" or "damar murub" dhapur (one more luk almost in the tip of the blade) of "Singabarong" dhapur. Overal, this blade has five luks including the urubing dilah. In daily conversation among keris people in Yogya, and I think Solo too, also in Jakarta -- we call it keris with dhapur name, "dwi warna" (correction, not "dwi dhapur"), or keris with two dhapurs in one blade. Why did you call it "panji kuda"? (Panji literally means "flag", and kuda means "horse"...) GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 6th April 2009 at 01:10 AM. Reason: Mispellings |
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Dear Ganja
I have used "Panji Kuda" because in the Javanese book "Dhapur" at pag. 48 pic. 93 there is the same keris. (Also in "Keris dan magic -manfaat-tuah-misteri at pag.362 the same picture) If i have a scanner a can show you the picture but....my scanner not work well ) I hope to see you again (July) |
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Nice keris !
The ukiran and mendak are also immaculate. Is there a scabbard ? Best regards, Willem |
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I've took the liberty to take a snapshot from "Dhapur" for discussion. The one in Ki Hudoyo's "Keris...", I think it is from the same source. My question is, why call it "Panji Kuda"? A bit strange to me. Literally, I would have translate it as what ganjawulung did.. panji = banner, flag; kuda = horse. It might be the symbolic representation of these elements which forms the philosophy of this keris form, taking note of the uribing dilah, the naga and the barong..? ![]() Last edited by Alam Shah; 5th April 2009 at 01:11 PM. |
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Thanks Shahrial for the pic.
Willem this is the Yogya timoho sarong (...and two others pics) |
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Lovely piece, congratulations!
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Very nice keris!
If I remember Pigeaud correctly he mentions that panji was an old title for a prince. Michael |
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You are right. Panji -- in Javanese was an old title for a noble person, a prince. I could mention for instance, Panji Asmoro Bangun -- was a name of a royal prince in an old Javanese legend. Or, Raden Panji Inu Kertapati. But, Panji in Indonesian language means "flag", but this is not Javanese. And I think, in this dhapur name (Panji Kuda), the word "kuda" also must be spelled as "kudo" (javanese), not "kuda" (Indonesian). Thank you for the correction, Michael. But this dhapur name is still a question, why "panji kuda"... GANJAWULUNG |
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Thanks all for kindly appreciation.
I think a lot of dapur names (...and pamor names) have poetic or pictorial names....the artists have great imagination |
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I find it really hard to tell much about the garap of this keris because of the confusing background ..
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also theres a name for kinatah motif "Panji wilis",,,what that mean?
nice keris marco,,, |
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Very good catch...! congratulations.
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Hullo everybody,
Marcokeris, I don't know which keris protocol you follow, so I don't know whether it makes any difference to you: You may want to check whether the singa barong has it's vital organ ( although your second picture seems to indicate that it has). Best, |
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Marcokeris/AlamShah, As no one has yet provided a translation, here is my interpretation: The blade has three arcs/curves from the base to the tip, with a straight section in the middle. The front edge has a lion at the base while the back edge has a jungle-king-serpent's head at the base, with its tail ending almost at the tip. The base area is decorated/adorned.The segment attached to the base of the blade has a curvy/wavy shaped bottom and its tail-end is adorned with fretwork. Alam Shah/ganjawulung, I believe the name to be a corruption of the original words, which meant: God's Almanac. Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 12th April 2009 at 11:13 PM. |
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Amuk Murugul, would you be so kind as to explain your line of reasoning? Thank you. |
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Beautiful keris and very fascinating discussion!
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