Opinion and translation.

ericlaude · 27th September 2010, 08:57 PM

Hello Everybody,
Last week end I bought ( 3€ - 3,9$) this dagger, when I see the end of its scabbard with a fish head monster , I think its original of balkan and its not very old and possible a tourist piece , but for the price its not important,If someone can help me and translate it ?
Thank in advance
Eric

Atlantia · 27th September 2010, 09:29 PM

Lovely dagger! The date is 1127 which I think translates as 1715.
I wouldn't have said it looks that old from first glance. So perhaps some other significance to the date?

Edit: sorry can't help with the main inscription. Hell of a bargain though!

Battara · 27th September 2010, 11:48 PM

Well, this would be Ottoman, possibly Kurdish(?). IF a tourist piece, it is a good one.

Rick · 28th September 2010, 12:32 AM

A steal !

Not too old IMO .

Dom · 28th September 2010, 12:41 AM

"ericlaude" fortunately you didn't spent a lot of money
any way, the knife looks great
now, to have a precise idea about your knife,
you will have to analyze since when,
the word "Daghestan" appear in history

the translation for the blade inscription
will give you an explanation

HAHI DAWOOD DAGHRESTANI either HAHI DAWOOD (the) DAGHRESTAN (man)

1127 either 1714

we have just a name, and a date

now hope to you, to complete the story for this knife
to help you, I look for when the first mention about "Daghestan"

extracted from; http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/russia/xdagestan.html
Until the early 19th century Dagestan belongted to Safavid Persia, then briefly to the Russian Empire (1722-1735), then to Afsharid respectively Zand Persia. In 1796/1803 the Khanate of Avaristan (which covered Dagestan) submitted to Russian suzerainty. The Dagestani resisted Russian taxation; their resistance was broken in 1864. The territory of modern Dagestan was administratively divided in Derbent Gubernia 1846-1860 / Dagestan Oblast 1860-1917 and Terek Oblast.
During the Russian Civil War (1917-1921) Dagestan formed part of the Republic of Northern Caucasus, but then was annexed into the RSFSR; the Dagestan ASSR was established in 1921.
The Dagestan ASSR, as part of the RSFSR, from 1922 to 1991 was part of the USSR. During the transition from communism to democracy it was renamed Dagestan Republic. The USSR disintegrated in 1991; Dagestan Republic now forms part of the Russian Federation.

Alternate spellings : Dagestan, Daghestan, Dachestan, Dagg Estan, Dakistan, Dagistan

do not seems appear before the 19th century ... in that case the date of 1714

congratulations and regards

à +

Dom

ericlaude · 28th September 2010, 09:41 PM

Thanks Atlanta , Battara , Rick and Dom, now its to know if it's really old or a recent comemoration?

27th September 2010, 08:57 PM	#1
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Opinion and translation. Hello Everybody, Last week end I bought ( 3€ - 3,9$) this dagger, when I see the end of its scabbard with a fish head monster , I think its original of balkan and its not very old and possible a tourist piece , but for the price its not important,If someone can help me and translate it ? Thank in advance Eric Attached Images

28th September 2010, 12:41 AM	#5
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	"ericlaude" fortunately you didn't spent a lot of money any way, the knife looks great now, to have a precise idea about your knife, you will have to analyze since when, the word "Daghestan" appear in history the translation for the blade inscription will give you an explanation HAHI DAWOOD DAGHRESTANI either HAHI DAWOOD (the) DAGHRESTAN (man) 1127 either 1714 we have just a name, and a date now hope to you, to complete the story for this knife to help you, I look for when the first mention about "Daghestan" extracted from; http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/russia/xdagestan.html Until the early 19th century Dagestan belongted to Safavid Persia, then briefly to the Russian Empire (1722-1735), then to Afsharid respectively Zand Persia. In 1796/1803 the Khanate of Avaristan (which covered Dagestan) submitted to Russian suzerainty. The Dagestani resisted Russian taxation; their resistance was broken in 1864. The territory of modern Dagestan was administratively divided in Derbent Gubernia 1846-1860 / Dagestan Oblast 1860-1917 and Terek Oblast. During the Russian Civil War (1917-1921) Dagestan formed part of the Republic of Northern Caucasus, but then was annexed into the RSFSR; the Dagestan ASSR was established in 1921. The Dagestan ASSR, as part of the RSFSR, from 1922 to 1991 was part of the USSR. During the transition from communism to democracy it was renamed Dagestan Republic. The USSR disintegrated in 1991; Dagestan Republic now forms part of the Russian Federation. Alternate spellings : Dagestan, Daghestan, Dachestan, Dagg Estan, Dakistan, Dagistan do not seems appear before the 19th century ... in that case the date of 1714 congratulations and regards à + Dom Attached Images

27th September 2010, 09:29 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Lovely dagger! The date is 1127 which I think translates as 1715. I wouldn't have said it looks that old from first glance. So perhaps some other significance to the date? Edit: sorry can't help with the main inscription. Hell of a bargain though!

27th September 2010, 11:48 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Well, this would be Ottoman, possibly Kurdish(?). IF a tourist piece, it is a good one.

28th September 2010, 12:32 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	A steal ! Not too old IMO .

28th September 2010, 09:41 PM	#6
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Thanks Atlanta , Battara , Rick and Dom, now its to know if it's really old or a recent comemoration?