An iron sheath ... or a frame of it, for comments

fernando · 3rd November 2019, 05:50 PM

I would love to know what you guys think of this one.
Assuming it all starts by its age, what would you say; old, very old, recent, very recent...
The first two pictures show how it was before i gave it some (hopefuly) non invasive cleaning with penetrating oil and a super soft brass brush.
Rust came off in lose particles, but also in the form of some entire layers from its interior; only one bit is left. I don't know what to think of that upper rivet, that shines white. The spherical (ball) point is secured with a rivet (nail), not just attached by pressure. Those two (sort of) hooks would be for securing the body plates ...

Your comments ill be so much welcome

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Mel H · 3rd November 2019, 08:52 PM

A protective end from a wood tool or implement?

David R · 4th November 2019, 01:45 AM

It looks like the iron binding on a later Roman Pugio scabbard. As for what it actually is........

fernando · 4th November 2019, 12:26 PM

Thank you for your kind comments, Gentlemen.
Mel, i would be surprised if this were indeed a tool protection device, with its hanging loops and other design details.
David, that was my own initial atempt at identify this thing. Let me show you what has influenced my thoughts.
Now, my doubts on its age and authencity remain unvanished.
That shining rivet kills me

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Any further comments ?

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David R · 4th November 2019, 05:24 PM

Historical reenactments have been ongoing for the last 40 years or more, some of our kit is now well aged enough to be passed off as original. Just a thought.

Will M · 5th November 2019, 03:37 AM

Any context to where it was found and when?
i would say not more than a century old.
The ball on the end could be a pivot point. It's not a weapon or part of one.

3rd November 2019, 05:50 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	An iron sheath ... or a frame of it, for comments I would love to know what you guys think of this one. Assuming it all starts by its age, what would you say; old, very old, recent, very recent... The first two pictures show how it was before i gave it some (hopefuly) non invasive cleaning with penetrating oil and a super soft brass brush. Rust came off in lose particles, but also in the form of some entire layers from its interior; only one bit is left. I don't know what to think of that upper rivet, that shines white. The spherical (ball) point is secured with a rivet (nail), not just attached by pressure. Those two (sort of) hooks would be for securing the body plates ... Your comments ill be so much welcome . , Attached Images

4th November 2019, 12:26 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you for your kind comments, Gentlemen. Mel, i would be surprised if this were indeed a tool protection device, with its hanging loops and other design details. David, that was my own initial atempt at identify this thing. Let me show you what has influenced my thoughts. Now, my doubts on its age and authencity remain unvanished. That shining rivet kills me . Any further comments ? . Attached Images

3rd November 2019, 08:52 PM	#2
Mel H Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: North East England. Posts: 107	A protective end from a wood tool or implement?

4th November 2019, 01:45 AM	#3
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	It looks like the iron binding on a later Roman Pugio scabbard. As for what it actually is........

4th November 2019, 05:24 PM	#5
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	Historical reenactments have been ongoing for the last 40 years or more, some of our kit is now well aged enough to be passed off as original. Just a thought.

5th November 2019, 03:37 AM	#6
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 391	Any context to where it was found and when? i would say not more than a century old. The ball on the end could be a pivot point. It's not a weapon or part of one.