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this blade actually have a hilt and pedokok, but i only purchase his blade because of some reason..
![]() ![]() length of this blade is 17 inch and has a wide base.. but i dont know what type of keris melayu it is because it's look like malela in some angel, also look like pandai saras.. i really need the opinion from all the members from this forum to help me to identified this blade..all your opinion and comment to discuss this blade are most welcome.. |
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any idea from you guys bout this blade??i really need to know more bout this keris..any comment are most welcome..
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Judging from the gandik style and ganja, I think this is a Kelantanese carita.
The secondary fullers extending to the fourth luk is unusual. I've never seen anything like that before. It has a disconcerting effect as it is like a end-luk that terminates to the right. |
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can i get more detail what you mean about 2nd paragraph of your comment bluerf? ![]() |
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If you look at your blade you can see that the fullers within the body of the blade come to a point in the fourth luk creating a profile of a blade within the blade. The point of this profile begins to turn to the right (in the last photo). If you look to the actual end of your keris the actual point turns in the other direction, towards the front edge of the blade. If we were to just look at this inner profile formed by the fullers we can count 4 luks, an even amount. Because keris luks are always an odd number your point always terminates towards the front edge of the blade. I think Kai Wee finds this inner blade disconcerting because it terminates in the other direction. ![]() |
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I totally agree with kai Wee and David....
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Woah, sorry guys but hold your horses a second. This one looks way more Pattani to me than Kelantan. The ganja is a bit taller than most but overall its very Pattani. The sheath is also much more Pattani. Hanggoye, is the blade original to the sheath? Would be nice to see the hilt but I'm 90% certain this keris came from north of the border...
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hye dahenkel thanx dahenkel for your comment..yes, this is original sheath..about the ganja yes, it's bigger..the wide of this keris is about 4inch.. can i know why you think this keris is from pattani dahenkel and do you thing this blade are all origin?? regards |
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Imho, this is a keris cherita (cerita/carita) from Pattani.. with its fuller and base features.. a Northern Peninsular blade. The 'tebeng' sheath style could be misleading.. Does the blade sits well in its sheath? Can we have a picture from the top and front, while the blade is in its sheath..
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thanx for your comment and i know you have seen this blade at my friend site in multiply..i just want him to put this for discussion since i don't have acc anymore.. ![]() i dont know either this is original sheath or not but the blade is sits well in this sheath.. i will pos the pic as request after this... tq alam shah dropping the comment here... regards |
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more picture for this keris
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Hmm... the taller ganja is one thing, but the way protrudes out and its prominence looked more Kelantanese to me, but must admit, this is a bit grey. I guess without the hilt, it is a bit difficult to tell the point of origin as well.
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![]() The hilt does help a bit. If the hilt goes with the sheath, it would be easier to help with identification. If the hilt is obviously not fitting or appropriate, then we would have to discount it. A lot of ifs actually. ![]() |
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Sorry to be a bother, but can we see the front of the sampir please.
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Maybe this is a stupid question. Is there any relevance, between name of "cherita" or cerita/carita of this 9 luks keris with dhapur's name in javanese keris' idiom? Would you enlighten me, is there any book on names of dhapur of Pattani kerises, or Kelantani kerises? My question is related with my confuseness on names and naming of dhapur. Because what I know in javanese keris term, if I'm not mistaken, dhapur carita (or some variants of dhapur carita) comes with 11 luks (carita, carita bungkem, carita daleman, carita gandhu, carita genengan, carita keprabon, carita prasaja -- with only slight differenceS in very small details in each carita), and also comes with 15 luks carita buntala, luk 17 carita klenthang or kalenthang... Does the name of "carita" or "cerita" in Pattani or Kelantan kerises have relation with "carita" in javanese term which means more or less, "story" or "tales"? I apologize for my ignorance... GANJAWULUNG |
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Ganja, this is a good question that i have often wonder about as i discovered some time ago that a Javanese carita bears little characteristic similarities with the Peninsula form of the same name.
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Just for comparison, this is "carita keprabon" or literally means "royal carita", one variant of among dhapurs of caritas in javanese keris world... Usually carita dhapur is 11 luks or more...
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Ultimately, when naming a pamor or dapur or whatever with respect to the keris, it must have to have certain meaning, the philosophy behind a name...
I believe Javanese terminology such as Charita has its philosophy why it is named as such.... However, when we talk about Semenanjung keris terminology, very often the names come as description of what is seen physically, without any philosophy behind it. I am afraid those terminologies could have come from collectors or keris dealers only... |
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Akar bahar in White or Red or Black?
FYI, In english would be White Coral or Black Coral or Red Coral. Both Kelantanese or Pattani do use this media for making hilts. But it is often to see Kelantan pieces with coral hilts. Quote:
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Salam Pak Ganja,
In Peninsula, if we try to define keris blades (old) based on geographical origin, we tend to split into 2 categories - keris Melayu and keris Jawa. Having said that, keris Jawa is easier to categorize as it has pakems, tangguh and also a lot of reference to go back to. But then when it comes to keris Melayu (Bugis included), we wud be having big problems. No one can tell for sure whether its a Trengganu, or Perak or Kelantan/Pattani piece. No record whatsoever about empu that can be traced back, say to 200 years. Sulawesi is a different matter, because we somewhat can tell the wesi used, the garap style, blade profile and thru experience - tanting to check the bobot. That also no one can tell for sure..... If we use dress as an indicator, I think the chances of our tangguhan to be correct is almost .... well... none ![]() |
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