Late 19 th century Hide Shield used by Wa-Chaga

Cerjak · 12th September 2021, 07:14 PM

I am looking for old images from the end of the 19th century or beginning of the 20th century that would show this same type of shield

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...t/E_Af1904-232
Late 19 th century Hide Shield used by Wa-Chaga ( KILIMANJARO area)
British Museum, No Af1904,-.232.
Litt: Sultan to Sultan: May French-Seldon (1892) p. 277 amd 278.

Cerjak · 12th September 2021, 07:16 PM

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Tim Simmons · 16th September 2021, 06:49 AM

Looks a nice old piece. Must be quite heavy. You need some spears to go with it.

colin henshaw · 16th September 2021, 09:09 AM

These are rare shields, I have only ever seen one for sale many years ago...

Cerjak · 19th September 2021, 06:27 PM

With a height of 91 centimetres and a width of 36.5 centimetres, this shield weighs 2640 grams so it is quite light.The wooden piece incorporating the handle has two elements with a flattened triangle cross-section, their lengths are different: 44& 33 cm starting from the handle.This seems to be the case also for the model illustrated in Sultan to Sultan: May French-Seldon (1892) p. 277, 278.

Peter B. · 24th September 2021, 05:12 PM

Here are three pictures, the first one from A. C. Tirri - Islamic and Native weapons (2007, page 24) and the old one from Benitez & Barbier - Shields (2000, page 120). This photo is shown in conjunction with image 3, the same patterns can be seen, but the contour and the handle are different.

Cerjak · 25th September 2021, 03:41 PM

Dear PETER
Thank you very much for this old photo, it is exactly the one I was looking for.
Is there a date mentioned for this picture?
I can now also associate this 19th century spear with this shield.
Best
Jean-Luc

Peter B. · 27th September 2021, 06:43 PM

Hello Jean-Luc,

Here is the complete description of the shield of picture 3 from my last posting including the old photo.
Here is also the reference list for this shield.
Unfortunately there is no date for the picture, just the date of publication.
Are you sure that the spears shown are the same as in your last picture? I think that the spears in the picture are missing the clear central rib of your specimen.

Cerjak · 27th September 2021, 07:16 PM

Dear Peter
again many thanks for the scans, you are right the central rib seems more pronounced than on the photo however the shape of the spear and the blade seem very similar.
Best
Jean-Luc

colin henshaw · 27th September 2021, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Dear PETER
Thank you very much for this old photo, it is exactly the one I was looking for.
Is there a date mentioned for this picture?
I can now also associate this 19th century spear with this shield.
Best
Jean-Luc

This is a Beja spear from Eastern Sudan.

12th September 2021, 07:14 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Late 19 th century Hide Shield used by Wa-Chaga I am looking for old images from the end of the 19th century or beginning of the 20th century that would show this same type of shield https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...t/E_Af1904-232 Late 19 th century Hide Shield used by Wa-Chaga ( KILIMANJARO area) British Museum, No Af1904,-.232. Litt: Sultan to Sultan: May French-Seldon (1892) p. 277 amd 278. Attached Images

12th September 2021, 07:16 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	MORE PIC Attached Images

24th September 2021, 05:12 PM	#6
Peter B. Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 43	Here are three pictures, the first one from A. C. Tirri - Islamic and Native weapons (2007, page 24) and the old one from Benitez & Barbier - Shields (2000, page 120). This photo is shown in conjunction with image 3, the same patterns can be seen, but the contour and the handle are different. Attached Images

25th September 2021, 03:41 PM	#7
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Dear PETER Thank you very much for this old photo, it is exactly the one I was looking for. Is there a date mentioned for this picture? I can now also associate this 19th century spear with this shield. Best Jean-Luc Attached Images

27th September 2021, 06:43 PM	#8
Peter B. Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 43	Hello Jean-Luc, Here is the complete description of the shield of picture 3 from my last posting including the old photo. Here is also the reference list for this shield. Unfortunately there is no date for the picture, just the date of publication. Are you sure that the spears shown are the same as in your last picture? I think that the spears in the picture are missing the clear central rib of your specimen. Attached Images

16th September 2021, 06:49 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Looks a nice old piece. Must be quite heavy. You need some spears to go with it.

16th September 2021, 09:09 AM	#4
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	These are rare shields, I have only ever seen one for sale many years ago...

19th September 2021, 06:27 PM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	With a height of 91 centimetres and a width of 36.5 centimetres, this shield weighs 2640 grams so it is quite light.The wooden piece incorporating the handle has two elements with a flattened triangle cross-section, their lengths are different: 44& 33 cm starting from the handle.This seems to be the case also for the model illustrated in Sultan to Sultan: May French-Seldon (1892) p. 277, 278.

27th September 2021, 07:16 PM	#9
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Dear Peter again many thanks for the scans, you are right the central rib seems more pronounced than on the photo however the shape of the spear and the blade seem very similar. Best Jean-Luc