Unusual Pommel

AHorsa · 21st October 2023, 11:34 AM

Dear All,

does anyone have an idea on this pommel. It‘s made from brass or bronze and gilded. I can‘t remember having seen that shape. The pattern seems ~1600 to me. It is a ground find from northern France. Is it a real thing or historism or so?
Size is 64x43mm.

Kind regards
Andreas

AHorsa · 22nd October 2023, 06:39 PM

That seems to be a hard nut to crack. Let me write down my thoughts after browsing on- and offline resources:
Those gilded copper/brass alloy or bronze guards and pommels seems to be famous on 15th/16th century swords. E.g.: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/35716

The deocaritve pattern reminds me on some late 16th century sowrd decoration I´ve seen in a book.

But I couldnt find any similar example anywhere. I would guess it is a pommel of a noble sword from the early 16th century... But widely without any hard facts.

Kind regards
Andreas

werecow · 24th October 2023, 02:12 PM

Not an exact match, but below is the closest analogues I've been able to find in Forrer's "European Sword Pommels" (the flat renaissance ones, second row left). Unfortunately the subscript is the only information given.

AHorsa · 24th October 2023, 06:59 PM

Hi Werecow,

Actually I did order that book yesterday

That´s a perfect match! Thanks a lot. The decoration of the depicted pommels fits as well.

Kind regards
Andreas

ulfberth · 25th October 2023, 10:00 PM

Hello Andy, that pommel is original no doubth at all, its 15th c,
Kind regards
Ulfberth

AHorsa · 26th October 2023, 01:32 PM

Great. Thank you for confirming Dirk!

Kind regards
Andreas

21st October 2023, 11:34 AM	#1
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 367	Unusual Pommel Dear All, does anyone have an idea on this pommel. It‘s made from brass or bronze and gilded. I can‘t remember having seen that shape. The pattern seems ~1600 to me. It is a ground find from northern France. Is it a real thing or historism or so? Size is 64x43mm. Kind regards Andreas Attached Images

24th October 2023, 02:12 PM	#3
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 498	Not an exact match, but below is the closest analogues I've been able to find in Forrer's "European Sword Pommels" (the flat renaissance ones, second row left). Unfortunately the subscript is the only information given. Attached Images

22nd October 2023, 06:39 PM	#2
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 367	That seems to be a hard nut to crack. Let me write down my thoughts after browsing on- and offline resources: Those gilded copper/brass alloy or bronze guards and pommels seems to be famous on 15th/16th century swords. E.g.: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/35716 The deocaritve pattern reminds me on some late 16th century sowrd decoration I´ve seen in a book. But I couldnt find any similar example anywhere. I would guess it is a pommel of a noble sword from the early 16th century... But widely without any hard facts. Kind regards Andreas

24th October 2023, 06:59 PM	#4
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 367	Hi Werecow, Actually I did order that book yesterday That´s a perfect match! Thanks a lot. The decoration of the depicted pommels fits as well. Kind regards Andreas

25th October 2023, 10:00 PM	#5
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 400	Hello Andy, that pommel is original no doubth at all, its 15th c, Kind regards Ulfberth

26th October 2023, 01:32 PM	#6
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 367	Great. Thank you for confirming Dirk! Kind regards Andreas