What is it?

ariel · 23rd May 2008, 03:11 AM

http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?act=at...post&id=230940

This is posted on a Russian forum.
My question:
-What is it?
-How old?
-Where from?

Those of you who can read Russian are humbly asked to keep quiet.

Jeff D · 23rd May 2008, 06:34 AM

Hi Ariel,

All I see is some hirsute, well fed gentlemen, pretending to be WWI soldiers. Is there supposed to be something else???

Jeff

Gavin Nugent · 23rd May 2008, 08:04 AM

That too is all that I see. Is it something in the picture you refer to?

Gav

ariel · 23rd May 2008, 03:23 PM

I don't understand: I can see it just fine...
But...
Try this link, to the entire post:
http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=62025

Jeff D · 23rd May 2008, 03:44 PM

Nope doesn't help. Try posting the image here.

Jeff

TVV · 23rd May 2008, 04:30 PM

Ariel, I am afraid that in order for one to see the image, one needs to be registered with the forum where it is posted. I can read the topic, but since I am not registered, I cannot see the object being discussed, and I guess others have the same problem.

ariel · 23rd May 2008, 05:37 PM

How about that?
I am exhausting my computer literacy

TVV · 23rd May 2008, 07:03 PM

I can see it now and it is deffinitely interesting. Since I can read Russian, I am not going to comment any further.

Jeff D · 24th May 2008, 04:08 AM

Oh what the heck! I will get things started. I haven't a clue but it looks like bits and pieces perhaps "trench art". Do you have any close ups of any of the details?

All the best
Jeff

Gavin Nugent · 24th May 2008, 08:49 AM

As the image is longer than my 17" monitor, my immeadiate thoughts were a spear tip or finial of some sort as I have seen on some military lances, but when I scrolled across the screen to see the rest of the picture and saw the end capped, to me it is remanicant of the American silver handled cultlery bowie knives but in a russian form I am guessing, as the forum from the original posting appears Russian and you have mentioned Russian above.

regards

Gav

Jim McDougall · 26th May 2008, 07:42 PM

This is a really attractive dagger that I cannot resist comparing in appearance to plug bayonets, however the hilt would suggest that use obviously not likely, especially with the knob type pommel. Since plug bayonets often were used aside from the intended use as daggers or hunting knives, it seems that they did in some cases may have remained as an accoutrement even after obsolete.Possibly ceremonial or dress example of one refurbished?
I may be way off base on this as I saw nothing similar in Evans ("The Plug Bayonet") but thought I would present the suggestion anyway

Fire at will !

fernando · 27th May 2008, 12:13 AM

A close up of those marks on the forte, would be an interesting track.

katana · 27th May 2008, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

A close up of those marks on the forte, would be an interesting track.

Hi.
it looks like a Fairbairn Sykes 'copy' blade and crossguard with a 'candle stick' hilt

. The round pommel end seems to have a 'dimple' possibly to locate a tool to tighten it up...with suggests the tang is threaded.

Hi Fernando,
this may help.....

Regards David

fernando · 27th May 2008, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

Hi Fernando,
this may help.....

Hi David ... no can do; that's the picture magnification, not the same as a clear close up.
I'm not skilled enough to distinguish what's there myself ... and i don't know russian either

Probably Ariel knows all about it by now and is laughing in the back stage

.
Best
Fernando

katana · 27th May 2008, 11:14 AM

Well, this is the Babel fish 'translation' of the link provided by Ariel and I'm still in the 'dark'

http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/transl...rUrl=Translate

Regards David

Rick · 27th May 2008, 02:47 PM

After reading the translation I was left with the impression that this is at least a married piece or perhaps an outright fake .

Burying it outside the dacha ?!?

Good way to add age where it doesn't exist .

ariel · 29th May 2008, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

After reading the translation I was left with the impression that this is at least a married piece or perhaps an outright fake .

Burying it outside the dacha ?!?

Good way to add age where it doesn't exist .

Cheaters.....

I bet your elementary school teachers are blushing!

Seriously, this is an exaple of what is called "fuflo" ( foof-LO) in Russian lingo: a fake.
This was intended to be a joke and the original creator openly described the process ( probably took him ~ 2 hours total). After that, there is a raucous discussion what kind of booze might produce the most acidic and "aging" urine to make this "fuflo" look properly antique.
All was above board. There was no intent to deceive anybody.
However.....
I put it here just to show that there are very professional people around the world who , if they want, can inflict a lot of confusion....
Caveat emptor!!

23rd May 2008, 03:11 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	What is it? http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?act=at...post&id=230940 This is posted on a Russian forum. My question: -What is it? -How old? -Where from? Those of you who can read Russian are humbly asked to keep quiet.

23rd May 2008, 08:04 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Me too That too is all that I see. Is it something in the picture you refer to? Gav

23rd May 2008, 05:37 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	How about that? I am exhausting my computer literacy Attached Images

24th May 2008, 08:49 AM	#10
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hhmm, I do enjoy puzzles and quiz time As the image is longer than my 17" monitor, my immeadiate thoughts were a spear tip or finial of some sort as I have seen on some military lances, but when I scrolled across the screen to see the rest of the picture and saw the end capped, to me it is remanicant of the American silver handled cultlery bowie knives but in a russian form I am guessing, as the forum from the original posting appears Russian and you have mentioned Russian above. regards Gav

23rd May 2008, 06:34 AM	#2
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Ariel, All I see is some hirsute, well fed gentlemen, pretending to be WWI soldiers. Is there supposed to be something else??? Jeff

23rd May 2008, 03:23 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I don't understand: I can see it just fine... But... Try this link, to the entire post: http://ww2.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=62025

23rd May 2008, 03:44 PM	#5
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Nope doesn't help. Try posting the image here. Jeff

23rd May 2008, 04:30 PM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,614	Ariel, I am afraid that in order for one to see the image, one needs to be registered with the forum where it is posted. I can read the topic, but since I am not registered, I cannot see the object being discussed, and I guess others have the same problem.

23rd May 2008, 07:03 PM	#8
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,614	I can see it now and it is deffinitely interesting. Since I can read Russian, I am not going to comment any further.

24th May 2008, 04:08 AM	#9
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Oh what the heck! I will get things started. I haven't a clue but it looks like bits and pieces perhaps "trench art". Do you have any close ups of any of the details? All the best Jeff

26th May 2008, 07:42 PM	#11
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,896	This is a really attractive dagger that I cannot resist comparing in appearance to plug bayonets, however the hilt would suggest that use obviously not likely, especially with the knob type pommel. Since plug bayonets often were used aside from the intended use as daggers or hunting knives, it seems that they did in some cases may have remained as an accoutrement even after obsolete.Possibly ceremonial or dress example of one refurbished? I may be way off base on this as I saw nothing similar in Evans ("The Plug Bayonet") but thought I would present the suggestion anyway Fire at will !

27th May 2008, 12:13 AM	#12
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A close up of those marks on the forte, would be an interesting track.

27th May 2008, 11:14 AM	#15
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Well, this is the Babel fish 'translation' of the link provided by Ariel and I'm still in the 'dark' http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/transl...rUrl=Translate Regards David

27th May 2008, 02:47 PM	#16
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,287	After reading the translation I was left with the impression that this is at least a married piece or perhaps an outright fake . Burying it outside the dacha ?!? Good way to add age where it doesn't exist .