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Old 26th June 2024, 06:18 PM   #1
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Antique BALL HEADED WAR CLUB Eastern Woodland Indian Effigy Face Pewter Tacks. Sold for a high price in money, do you think it was bought knowing it is African? I don't think so. I will not and the ebay link as we are not supposed to talk about money. However knowledge is power. Are we here to educate ? or what ?
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Old 26th June 2024, 06:23 PM   #2
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Antique BALL HEADED WAR CLUB Eastern Woodland Indian Effigy Face Pewter Tacks. Sold for a high price in money, do you think it was bought knowing it is African? I don't think so. I will not and the ebay link as we are not supposed to talk about money. However knowledge is power. Are we here to educate ? or what ?
I'm not seeing any images Tim. Hard to discuss without them.
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Old 26th June 2024, 07:37 PM   #3
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Here you go Tim.
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Old 26th June 2024, 11:43 PM   #4
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Sold for a high price in money, do you think it was bought knowing it is African? I don't think so.
Well, i don't really know much about clubs in general, but i do know that authentic First Nations/Native American artifacts, especially effigy war clubs, go for much more money than the buyer purchased this for. That would not be a lot of money if the buyer really thought this was Native American. You'd have to add a zero, or possibly even two. So my guess is that they did indeed know the club was African. Of course i don't know what a reasonable price is for an African club like this.
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Old 27th June 2024, 07:26 AM   #5
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I am not sure that the club in discussion is old or antique, the chips show rather bright wood, could it be rather recent?
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Old 27th June 2024, 12:39 PM   #6
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I... could it be rather recent?
Looks recent to me also.
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Looks recent to me also.
Very similar to contemporary art from Kenya and Tanzania
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Old 29th June 2024, 06:54 PM   #8
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I might be mistaken, but have some doubt whether this is a club.

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the lower or bottom part of the handle looks quite thin for a clubbing waepon.
It might break easily when used with force on a non-soft object...

Hence my thought it to be a kind / type of statue-like or ceremonial object.
But then again as stated, I might be wrong...
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Old 29th June 2024, 10:15 PM   #9
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I might be mistaken, but have some doubt whether this is a club.

Reason:

the lower or bottom part of the handle looks quite thin for a clubbing waepon.
It might break easily when used with force on a non-soft object...

Hence my thought it to be a kind / type of statue-like or ceremonial object.
But then again as stated, I might be wrong...
If it is made in Tanzania or Kenya, then the batons are made from ebony, a very strong and heavy wood. Although judging by the light chips of the wood, it is not ebony.

Here is the Maasai Orkuma club made of ebony, weight: 400 g
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Usually the effigy war clubs are from the Penobscot, occasionally Plains. Those are also usually recent. This doesn't look Penobscot nor Native American.

Also I would agree with a more recent manufacture.
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Took me some time to find it. There are more on the site. Common wit Belgian collectors.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=gogo
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Tim I think you found it. Good work and thanks.
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