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Old 19th September 2011, 05:20 AM   #1
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Default Yataghan and Shamshir Translation request

I would be grateful if anyone can help me with either of these translations.
The first is on an Ottoman Yataghan with watered blade.
The second is hard to see, on an Indo-Persian Shamshir with Lucknow hilt. This second one was plated at some point and also has the umbrella or parasol mark above the cartouche.

thanks in advance for any help in translation.

Hugh
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Old 19th September 2011, 02:18 PM   #2
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First one reads توکلت علی الله meaning Trust in God. The second one is hard to read, plus I have a headache so i am not paying much attention. If you take a chalk and fill-in the engravings then it would make it much easier to read and translate. Also it would be nice if you take complete pictures so we can enjoy some eye candy.
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Old 19th September 2011, 03:17 PM   #3
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Rigby,
hello, I second AJ1356's request. If you enjoy a free translation service please post a full view of the pieces for our continued study and enjoyment. Blade closeups look great. Thank you Rigby, Alex
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Old 19th September 2011, 05:11 PM   #4
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Hi Rigby,

I totally agree with RJ and Aleksey, Its for our pleasure that we see what we translate. Just translating without seeing the whole thing isnt really that fun and limits discussion :-)

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Old 20th September 2011, 12:44 AM   #5
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Default Apologies and more images

Sorry!
Here are the images and thank you AJ1356 for the translation. I have tried to fill the second cartouche with chalk, does it help any?

The second sword here is unusual, and unfortunately missing a quilllon. I believe this is a form of Lucknow hilt and the engravings on the hilt include the stork, corn and anglo/heraldic device on the langet. I think the parasol mark may indicate that it was associated with a royal armoury. There is also some additional inscription under the plating toward the hilt, hard to make out. If anyone has any suggestion for safely removing the plating I would be grateful though I am inclined to let time do the work, as it is flaking away.
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Old 21st September 2011, 04:46 AM   #6
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oooooouuuuu goody......that yataghan blade looks wootz to me.
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