Another sudanese arm dagger

Flavio · 29th February 2012, 02:14 PM

Just to show you

Edster · 1st March 2012, 12:34 AM

Flavio,

Really nice arm dagger. Much better blade than usual. My guess its from Sennar or environs. Probably mid-20th Century.

Congratulations,
Ed

TVV · 1st March 2012, 12:57 AM

Flavio, nice dagger. I really like the subtle shape of the hilt terminals, and it is impressive that 3 out of 4 have survived intact.
Regards,
Teodor

Dom · 1st March 2012, 02:32 AM

just to tell you, thank you Flavio
I'm every time very pleased when I watch a quality weapon
and this Sudanese arm dagger is splendid

à +

Dom

Flavio · 1st March 2012, 10:39 AM

Thank you all

Edster, I think that is a little more older than mid 20th century, at least early 20th century, the patination and the nice construction let me think so, but if you have more clues I'd like to know which are so the next time I will see carefully to catch an older example

Thank you

Lew · 1st March 2012, 11:39 AM

Flavio my friend that is one sweet arm dagger

. Very fine quality and as far as age goes I would say 1890s-1920

Congrats

Lew

Flavio · 1st March 2012, 11:51 AM

Hey Lew!!!!!

It's passed long time from my last sudanese arm dagger, but as you can see I try to add something new from time to time and the target is always to reach your collection

All the best

Edster · 2nd March 2012, 12:42 AM

My only reason for a later date is the stamp design. More "art" focus than a religious inscription as when the Mahdiya was still a living memory. But then again I wouldn't go against Lew's expertise. Regardless, it still a superior piece.

Ed

Lew · 2nd March 2012, 03:18 AM

Edster

The markings on the blade are a variation of the battle of Omdurman/Khartoum This is definately that style dagger from the late 1890s through 1918 or there about. The workmanship and fine quality are apparent. The daggers that were produced during WW2-1950s were of a lesser quality usually there were made by using a forging die and hot pressed to create the fullers.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...udanese+dagger

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...udanese+dagger

Look at number the number 6 post.

Lew

Edster · 2nd March 2012, 11:22 PM

Lew,

Thanks for the explanation. So much to learn.

Best,
Ed

Sajen · 3rd March 2012, 12:00 AM

Hi Flavio,

very nice arm dagger, like the patina and the markings at the very good worked blade!

Regards,

Detlef

Flavio · 3rd March 2012, 10:03 AM

Thank you Detlef

David R · 4th March 2012, 12:35 AM

My friend Max ( ex District Comm 1920's) said that the old Mahdist vets had their knives/daggers marked at the end in a distinctive way, proud of their devotion in the war. Anyone got a contribution to this.

Lew · 4th March 2012, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David R

My friend Max ( ex District Comm 1920's) said that the old Mahdist vets had their knives/daggers marked at the end in a distinctive way, proud of their devotion in the war. Anyone got a contribution to this.

David

I personally never heard of this practice but maybe Jim can shed some light on this subject

.

29th February 2012, 02:14 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Another sudanese arm dagger Just to show you Attached Images

2nd March 2012, 03:18 AM	#9
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Edster The markings on the blade are a variation of the battle of Omdurman/Khartoum This is definately that style dagger from the late 1890s through 1918 or there about. The workmanship and fine quality are apparent. The daggers that were produced during WW2-1950s were of a lesser quality usually there were made by using a forging die and hot pressed to create the fullers. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...udanese+dagger http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...udanese+dagger Look at number the number 6 post. Lew Last edited by Lew; 2nd March 2012 at 03:23 PM.

1st March 2012, 12:34 AM	#2
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 408	Flavio, Really nice arm dagger. Much better blade than usual. My guess its from Sennar or environs. Probably mid-20th Century. Congratulations, Ed

1st March 2012, 12:57 AM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,622	Flavio, nice dagger. I really like the subtle shape of the hilt terminals, and it is impressive that 3 out of 4 have survived intact. Regards, Teodor

1st March 2012, 02:32 AM	#4
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	just to tell you, thank you Flavio I'm every time very pleased when I watch a quality weapon and this Sudanese arm dagger is splendid à + Dom

1st March 2012, 10:39 AM	#5
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you all Edster, I think that is a little more older than mid 20th century, at least early 20th century, the patination and the nice construction let me think so, but if you have more clues I'd like to know which are so the next time I will see carefully to catch an older example Thank you

1st March 2012, 11:39 AM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Flavio my friend that is one sweet arm dagger . Very fine quality and as far as age goes I would say 1890s-1920 Congrats Lew

1st March 2012, 11:51 AM	#7
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hey Lew!!!!! It's passed long time from my last sudanese arm dagger, but as you can see I try to add something new from time to time and the target is always to reach your collection All the best

2nd March 2012, 12:42 AM	#8
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 408	My only reason for a later date is the stamp design. More "art" focus than a religious inscription as when the Mahdiya was still a living memory. But then again I wouldn't go against Lew's expertise. Regardless, it still a superior piece. Ed

2nd March 2012, 11:22 PM	#10
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 408	Lew, Thanks for the explanation. So much to learn. Best, Ed

3rd March 2012, 12:00 AM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hi Flavio, very nice arm dagger, like the patina and the markings at the very good worked blade! Regards, Detlef

3rd March 2012, 10:03 AM	#12
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Detlef

4th March 2012, 12:35 AM	#13
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	My friend Max ( ex District Comm 1920's) said that the old Mahdist vets had their knives/daggers marked at the end in a distinctive way, proud of their devotion in the war. Anyone got a contribution to this.