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I won this today on ebay
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What picture?
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Tim
The head looks like it has been put on upside down ![]() ![]() Lew |
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Not sure about that Lew from this picture
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Found one here. Ouch!
http://www.denner.ca/weapons/eastern/index.html |
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The head is on the right way - that is the style of this particular (and parculiar) axe.
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Finally arrived and scrubbed up nicely. A clever solution to the stress of a small but heavy axe head impact on the halft. The blade is 16mm thick where it joins the socket. I am pleased with it. The only problem with things like this is they seem to have absolutely no effect on my waist line.
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NICE
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Congratulations Tim, very nice !!!!
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Tim that is one sweet axe.
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Hi Tim,
In the book Memorial of the Jaipore Exhibition, 1883, by Th.H.Hendley, such an axe is shown. I did not have time to read the text and I don’t have the book, so I can’t help you further, other than saying it was classified as a battle axe. Jens |
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Thanks Jens any accurate info is appreciated on these matters. I too am starting to question the general Khond attribution. In Tirri's book page 338 there is this zaghnal of the same construction. What I have read of the khond, these pieces do not strike me as fitting the wealth and technical abilities of an aboriginal minority. I know they do not exist in complete isolation, there would be tribal leaders and others that would represent thier communities at the courts of surrounding landlords. As a dress weapon they could be obtained by trade. Maybe a battle axe is the best thing to say. This form does not seem to be the most common. This is a picture of a tribesman a little further north than khond lands. He has what I would think is more apt.
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No offense to Tirri, but I would not depend on him for accurate nomenclature, attribution, nor information. Pictures are good though.
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Yes the pics are pretty good. One the other hand Elgood's Hindu arms has the tendency to leave great lumps of South India out of consideration altogether.
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I wonder if these and other small axes from India may be more of a {for want of better words} civil weapon. Like a stout stick or staff. I cannot help making a comparison to herders axes from the 19th century in eastern Europe. In a time of no street lights or tarmac roads and no local police, small decorative weapons would be handy to have around. Not so much to use but the signals they send out. They do not handle as I would want in a real "battle" axe. I think these pictures say a lot. A travellers axe may be a good name.
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The construction with the steel strip down most of the handle is serious stuff. The weapon has a considerable amount of flex. It is just that the handle is quite thin for a good constant grip for me. I have always thought of the term horseman's axe as a bit "what is it, call it a horseman's axe" but a rider could lean from a horse and strike with an axe. The flex in the construction would help extricate the weapon at speed? The grip does bother me. Has anyone got good information and pics.
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Maybe it is a case of the smaller Asian hands and how young is a young warrior thingy.
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Wow!
That is a very nice axe, how did you clean it up so well? |
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Is the handle thinner than a steel handle would be?
There are different kinds of wood, and some of them are very strong, yet very flexible - remember some of the wooden bows. |
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I had not thought of that Jens. It is the same as the metal axes. So it may be a battle axe. Very clever in a simple way to make a strong and flexible halft like that. If a target was hit in the chest or head at speed the halft would need to flex or it would most likely snap.
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A friend just sent me this picture. He says it is from Memorials of the Jaipure Exhibition 1883. Which, of course, does not mean that the weapons shown are from Jaipur. The axe to the left has a long stiletto hidden in the steel haft, notice also the haft on the second axe from the left – it is a rather thin haft made of wood.
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Jens, look at the size of that katar!!!!!!!!
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Yes, I have looked at it several times, and I believe it is from Bikaner, although I have never seen on so massive before.
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The armouries have one of comparable size. I have an image I will try and find later. From memory, it hasnt the same thick and substantial proportions.
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important features of weaponry you've quoted ? |
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I think that is a bit strong, a list might be more apt. |
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Gentlemen, I'm not eager to go down this road again...
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By all means, continue the discussion of the axe, of course. Just remember to stay on topic.
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[QUOTE=Mark]By all means, continue the discussion of the axe[QUOTE]
... that's a nice one even at the eyes of a total beginner. |
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