Seadajak Parang with rare scabbard

Dajak · 31st December 2008, 10:25 PM

Seadajak Sword with old type Handle and rare scabbard .

Brass inlay on the back and the side .

Ben

ps Michael did you see an scabbard with that rare end ???

Maurice · 1st January 2009, 12:05 PM

Hi Ben,

Happy new year!!
Great looking parang.
It is nice to see the similarities in style with this handle of yours to the higher Coppenshandle Michael has!

How old it was estimated you told me these handles were in fashion? (I can,t quite remember). I believed you told me about 1875?

Also nice carved scabbard!!

Maurice

VVV · 1st January 2009, 04:29 PM

Congratulations!

The best one of your newly acquired parang I have seen so far in 2009!

It's very close to the Jimpul I traded with your for the LT in style.
Actually I think it's a Jimpul variation even if the tip isn't squarish.
On the scabbard end I have never seen it before on anything else than Pandat (enclosed an example).
So I assume that it's inspired from the Land Dayaks in style?

Michael

Tim Simmons · 1st January 2009, 05:03 PM

Happy New Year, interesting handle, the forming of the gunge around the top and the silver coin. What is the metal on the grip?

Dajak · 1st January 2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Congratulations!

The best one of your newly acquired parang I have seen so far in 2009!

It's very close to the Jimpul I traded with your for the LT in style.
Actually I think it's a Jimpul variation even if the tip isn't squarish.
On the scabbard end I have never seen it before on anything else than Pandat (enclosed an example).
So I assume that it's inspired from the Land Dayaks in style?

Michael

Hi Maurice that is correct .

Hi Michael maybe it is the other way around that is the way I like to find out.

I think that there are 2 variations off pandats that one type did belong to the seadayaks but I never did found any proof that this right or wrong .

You are right whit thinking that there must be a few variations of the Jimpul
type we know from the shelford publication .
I see to much of this type very old ones .
You have also a few maybe you can post them also here to compare .

Compare your Oldman and your Coppens both maybe same age different area
different style .

The metal on the Handle is not silver Tim but could be an mix .

Ben

Tim Simmons · 1st January 2009, 06:44 PM

It could be tin? but most likely a local silver. Tin lead and silver?

Dajak · 1st January 2009, 06:51 PM

Hi Tim no not tin it is more metal mix whit maybe a little silver but it is to strong to be silver and I put an boiled eg against it and no reaction so no much silver in it anyway .

The coins are silver from the netherlands .

Ben

Tim Simmons · 1st January 2009, 07:39 PM

Well if not alloyed with silver. It is most likey a tin solder wire. Or possibly Britannia metal which is not that far removed from tin solder.

Tim Simmons · 1st January 2009, 08:24 PM

Paktong.

katana · 1st January 2009, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

I put an boiled eg against it and no reaction so no much silver in it anyway .

Ben

Hi Ben,
I didn't know this....am I right that the 'white' of the boiled egg changes colour when in contact with silver ? Can you 'gauge' the silver content by the speed of the 'reaction'.... is the colour change 'darker'... the higher the silver content ? Could you explain..Thank you

Regards and Happy New Year

David

Dajak · 1st January 2009, 08:55 PM

Hi David

I use the yellow after the white and my expiriance is the faster and darker the more silver is in it try to eath an boiled eg with an silver spoon .

Ben

katana · 1st January 2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi David

I use the yellow after the white and my expiriance is the faster and darker the more silver is in it try to eath an boiled eg with an silver spoon .

Ben

Thank you Ben

Dajak · 1st January 2009, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Well if not alloyed with silver. It is most likey a tin solder wire. Or possibly Britannia metal which is not that far removed from tin solder.

Is that the same as berlin silver

Ben

Battara · 1st January 2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Is that the same as berlin silver

Do you mean German Silver?

Dajak · 2nd January 2009, 06:31 AM

Hi Jose yes I mean German silver overhere in Netherlands/Germany they call it Berlin silver.

I think the English call it alpacca but not sure .

Ben

VVV · 2nd January 2009, 10:23 AM

Hi Ben,

There are two styles of pandat but they are Sidin and Bennah according to Shelford (see examples in order).
The ones with the resembling scabbard end as your parang are Sidin.
So I assume that you suspect that it's the Sidin version that somehow is connected to Iban?

On jimpul variations I consider the following two jimpul too even if they don't have the squarish end of the blade.

Michael

asomotif · 2nd January 2009, 12:23 PM

Quote:

English call it alpacca but not sure

Found the following :
Alpaca / Berlin silver :
copper: 64 à 65 %
zinc: 23 à 24%
nickel: 12%

But I can imagine if it is locally made any combination of materials could be used.

best regards,
Willem

Dajak · 3rd January 2009, 08:37 AM

My second Seadajak parang did get it yesterday.

It does have an heavy blade and little heads on the handle .

And very long hair from the handle .

Ben

Maurice · 3rd January 2009, 01:24 PM

Hi Ben,

Nice example....

I have not often seen these kind of little faces on the handles. Also the carvings on the scabbard I do like.
Are those metal bands on the scabbard?

Maurice

Dajak · 3rd January 2009, 04:33 PM

Hi Maurice yes metal bands .

Ben

VVV · 3rd January 2009, 05:42 PM

Another beauty!

Somehow this one doesn't look as much as a jimpul as your first.
Could be because of the krowit and that the fuller ends before it?
Maybe it's more related to the Gayang of W Sabah and NW Sarawak?
Ben, what's your instinctive feeling when holding it IRL?

Michael

Tim Simmons · 3rd January 2009, 06:17 PM

Ben, you need to get that white metal tested properly. I have been thinking about your test, I could eat a boiled egg every day for a month and a silver spoon may still not tarnish. It does already look tarnished.

Dajak · 3rd January 2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Another beauty!

Somehow this one doesn't look as much as a jimpul as your first.
Could be because of the krowit and that the fuller ends before it?
Maybe it's more related to the Gayang of W Sabah and NW Sarawak?
Ben, what's your instinctive feeling when holding it IRL?

Michael

Hi Michael it is smaller but it is an heavy one .

In real it looks much better.

But first one is the best these 2 comes from the same collector has the best Parang Ilang collection that I know with the rarest piece s.

Ben

Mytribalworld · 3rd January 2009, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Michael it is smaller but it is an heavy one .

In real it looks much better.

But first one is the best these 2 comes from the same collector has the best Parang Ilang collection that I know with the rarest piece s.

Ben

Hi Ben,

here the pic I promised ( the one in the middle)

Arjan

Dajak · 4th January 2009, 07:47 AM

Hi Arjan can you also show us what type off blade it is ?

that one down below is that also an seadajak parang ???

Thanks Ben

Mytribalworld · 4th January 2009, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Arjan can you also show us what type off blade it is ?

that one down below is that also an seadajak parang ???

Thanks Ben

Hi Ben,

No In my opinion the lower is a Dusun mandau from Kinabatingan area.

Arjan.

Tim Simmons · 4th January 2009, 04:01 PM

Although this is not as curved and I know little about these really. I can see some similarities to the blade and the scabbard. Any more information would be very nice to know. This is my a favourite.

Dajak · 4th January 2009, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Ben,

No In my opinion the lower is a Dusun mandau from Kinabatingan area.

Arjan.

Nice blade that lower one I did ask because I see same style scabbard but with an
LT style blade in the scabbard after I left your nice shop .

Ben

VVV · 7th January 2009, 12:17 AM

Arjan, I am a bit puzzled with the hilt on the middle one?
Please let me know why it's Iban?
Is the lower one a Parang Gayang?

Tim, yours is nice too but I think you should post it in a separate thread as it's not related to the ones discussed in this thread. It's to confusing otherwise to comment it in relation to the other ones.

Michael

Tim Simmons · 7th January 2009, 09:46 AM

Micheal I do not mean to confuse anybody, I am a bit confused that might be why I post it here. I like many others probably just see mandau. I just noted some similarity in the scabbard colour and binding also the blade. You guys seem to have all the answers?

31st December 2008, 10:25 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Seadajak Parang with rare scabbard Seadajak Sword with old type Handle and rare scabbard . Brass inlay on the back and the side . Ben ps Michael did you see an scabbard with that rare end ??? Attached Images

1st January 2009, 04:29 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Congratulations! The best one of your newly acquired parang I have seen so far in 2009! It's very close to the Jimpul I traded with your for the LT in style. Actually I think it's a Jimpul variation even if the tip isn't squarish. On the scabbard end I have never seen it before on anything else than Pandat (enclosed an example). So I assume that it's inspired from the Land Dayaks in style? Michael Attached Images

1st January 2009, 07:39 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Well if not alloyed with silver. It is most likey a tin solder wire. Or possibly Britannia metal which is not that far removed from tin solder. Last edited by Tim Simmons; 1st January 2009 at 08:09 PM.

2nd January 2009, 10:23 AM	#16
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, There are two styles of pandat but they are Sidin and Bennah according to Shelford (see examples in order). The ones with the resembling scabbard end as your parang are Sidin. So I assume that you suspect that it's the Sidin version that somehow is connected to Iban? On jimpul variations I consider the following two jimpul too even if they don't have the squarish end of the blade. Michael Attached Images

3rd January 2009, 08:37 AM	#18
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	My second Seadajak parang did get it yesterday. It does have an heavy blade and little heads on the handle . And very long hair from the handle . Ben Attached Images

1st January 2009, 12:05 PM	#2
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,354	Hi Ben, Happy new year!! Great looking parang. It is nice to see the similarities in style with this handle of yours to the higher Coppenshandle Michael has! How old it was estimated you told me these handles were in fashion? (I can,t quite remember). I believed you told me about 1875? Also nice carved scabbard!! Maurice

1st January 2009, 05:03 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Happy New Year, interesting handle, the forming of the gunge around the top and the silver coin. What is the metal on the grip?

1st January 2009, 06:44 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	It could be tin? but most likely a local silver. Tin lead and silver?

1st January 2009, 06:51 PM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Tim no not tin it is more metal mix whit maybe a little silver but it is to strong to be silver and I put an boiled eg against it and no reaction so no much silver in it anyway . The coins are silver from the netherlands . Ben

1st January 2009, 08:24 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Paktong.

1st January 2009, 08:55 PM	#11
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi David I use the yellow after the white and my expiriance is the faster and darker the more silver is in it try to eath an boiled eg with an silver spoon . Ben

2nd January 2009, 06:31 AM	#15
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Jose yes I mean German silver overhere in Netherlands/Germany they call it Berlin silver. I think the English call it alpacca but not sure . Ben

3rd January 2009, 01:24 PM	#19
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,354	Hi Ben, Nice example.... I have not often seen these kind of little faces on the handles. Also the carvings on the scabbard I do like. Are those metal bands on the scabbard? Maurice

3rd January 2009, 04:33 PM	#20
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Maurice yes metal bands . Ben

3rd January 2009, 05:42 PM	#21
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Another beauty! Somehow this one doesn't look as much as a jimpul as your first. Could be because of the krowit and that the fuller ends before it? Maybe it's more related to the Gayang of W Sabah and NW Sarawak? Ben, what's your instinctive feeling when holding it IRL? Michael

3rd January 2009, 06:17 PM	#22
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Ben, you need to get that white metal tested properly. I have been thinking about your test, I could eat a boiled egg every day for a month and a silver spoon may still not tarnish. It does already look tarnished.

4th January 2009, 07:47 AM	#25
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Arjan can you also show us what type off blade it is ? that one down below is that also an seadajak parang ??? Thanks Ben

4th January 2009, 04:01 PM	#27
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Although this is not as curved and I know little about these really. I can see some similarities to the blade and the scabbard. Any more information would be very nice to know. This is my a favourite. Attached Images

7th January 2009, 12:17 AM	#29
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Arjan, I am a bit puzzled with the hilt on the middle one? Please let me know why it's Iban? Is the lower one a Parang Gayang? Tim, yours is nice too but I think you should post it in a separate thread as it's not related to the ones discussed in this thread. It's to confusing otherwise to comment it in relation to the other ones. Michael

7th January 2009, 09:46 AM	#30
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Micheal I do not mean to confuse anybody, I am a bit confused that might be why I post it here. I like many others probably just see mandau. I just noted some similarity in the scabbard colour and binding also the blade. You guys seem to have all the answers?