Schiavona Bellunese (?)

Evgeny_K · 2nd February 2020, 08:36 PM

I have long wanted to get schiavona and finally, this wish came true

As I was told it's early schiavona made in Belluna, 1570-80s (Thank you, Giovanni!)

Evgeny_K · 2nd February 2020, 08:42 PM

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Evgeny_K · 2nd February 2020, 08:46 PM

Similar (bellunese?) markings on both sides of the blade.

Evgeny_K · 2nd February 2020, 08:47 PM

Looks like the blade was once shortened a bit.

fernando · 2nd February 2020, 08:51 PM

Great

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Any marks ?

Oh yes, the marks are shown in the other thread !

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AndreaFeraro89 · 2nd February 2020, 09:28 PM

For a reference, from Stibbert Collection (Florence).
This is a photo from the catalogue, written by LG Boccia.

Do not look at pommel and handle (probably they have been put together in the XIX cent.)

The etchings on the guard are so similar to your, almost identical!
Boccia says is Belunese, made around 1590-1600.

The difference with your is that this guard is more complex, and in my opinion is a little bit later than your.

Cheers
Giovanni

Evgeny_K · 4th February 2020, 10:14 AM

Thank you, Giovanni!
Probably these guards were made by the same swordsmith or in one workshop.

Philip · 5th February 2020, 07:13 AM

Congratulations, Evgeny. The simpler hilt construction of yours is a quite early design, your estimate of dates is right, and this style is seldom found. I don't object to the slightly shortened blade; these were issued for combat, not parade and occasional damages like this can be expected. The early hilt design more than makes up for it.

Evgeny_K · 5th February 2020, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip

Congratulations, Evgeny. The simpler hilt construction of yours is a quite early design, your estimate of dates is right, and this style is seldom found. I don't object to the slightly shortened blade; these were issued for combat, not parade and occasional damages like this can be expected. The early hilt design more than makes up for it.

Thank you, Philip!

Philip · 6th February 2020, 04:58 PM

Here's one in a private collection. The very simple guard on these has a "proto-" look, I think it is the immediate predecessor to the form that Ewart Oakeshott called Type I (the Stibbert example posted above has one of those guards). As regards the sword in this post, I have a gut feeling that the pommel may be a later replacement but I leave it to other forum members to comment as well.

Enibas · 7th February 2020, 12:46 PM

Hello everyone,

Philipp, I think the Sciavona that you posted is completely assembled (errors excepted, of course)

And thanks for praise to Evgeny's sword.

I was amazed at the reluctance in the forum for this unique piece. I have never seen this quality in any museum.

Evgeny, your sciavona has only one serious mistake: It is not mine :-)

Keep it as it is.

A nice week-end.

AndreaFeraro89 · 7th February 2020, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enibas

Hello everyone,

Philipp, I think the Sciavona that you posted is completely assembled (errors excepted, of course)

And thanks for praise to Evgeny's sword.

I was amazed at the reluctance in the forum for this unique piece. I have never seen this quality in any museum.

Evgeny, your sciavona has only one serious mistake: It is not mine :-)

Keep it as it is.

A nice week-end.

Completely agree with you @Enibas, that schiavona is really astonishing, very very rare to find such an early and complete model like this in the museum too! (Italy included)

2nd February 2020, 08:36 PM	#1
Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	Schiavona Bellunese (?) I have long wanted to get schiavona and finally, this wish came true As I was told it's early schiavona made in Belluna, 1570-80s (Thank you, Giovanni!) Attached Images Last edited by Evgeny_K; 2nd February 2020 at 10:58 PM.

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Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	... Attached Images

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Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	Similar (bellunese?) markings on both sides of the blade. Attached Images

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Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	Looks like the blade was once shortened a bit. Attached Images

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fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Great . Any marks ? Oh yes, the marks are shown in the other thread ! . Last edited by fernando; 2nd February 2020 at 09:14 PM.

2nd February 2020, 09:28 PM	#6
AndreaFeraro89 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 13	For a reference, from Stibbert Collection (Florence). This is a photo from the catalogue, written by LG Boccia. Do not look at pommel and handle (probably they have been put together in the XIX cent.) The etchings on the guard are so similar to your, almost identical! Boccia says is Belunese, made around 1590-1600. The difference with your is that this guard is more complex, and in my opinion is a little bit later than your. Cheers Giovanni Attached Images

4th February 2020, 10:14 AM	#7
Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	Thank you, Giovanni! Probably these guards were made by the same swordsmith or in one workshop.

5th February 2020, 07:13 AM	#8
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	Congratulations, Evgeny. The simpler hilt construction of yours is a quite early design, your estimate of dates is right, and this style is seldom found. I don't object to the slightly shortened blade; these were issued for combat, not parade and occasional damages like this can be expected. The early hilt design more than makes up for it.

6th February 2020, 04:58 PM	#10
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	another example Here's one in a private collection. The very simple guard on these has a "proto-" look, I think it is the immediate predecessor to the form that Ewart Oakeshott called Type I (the Stibbert example posted above has one of those guards). As regards the sword in this post, I have a gut feeling that the pommel may be a later replacement but I leave it to other forum members to comment as well. Attached Images

7th February 2020, 12:46 PM	#11
Enibas Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 13	Evengy is a lucky one :-) Hello everyone, Philipp, I think the Sciavona that you posted is completely assembled (errors excepted, of course) And thanks for praise to Evgeny's sword. I was amazed at the reluctance in the forum for this unique piece. I have never seen this quality in any museum. Evgeny, your sciavona has only one serious mistake: It is not mine :-) Keep it as it is. A nice week-end.