Speaking of talismanic stuff

fernando · 21st October 2014, 11:23 PM

These are the so called ARRAS, something said to come from Roman times, still in use in Spain and Mexico.
Among several interpretations, they were/are offered by the groom to the bride, to pay for her virginity ... or a way to ensure safety and stability in the weding, towards sharing and strenghtening the couple material wellfare.
In other versions they were/are delivered by the groom's godparents during the proposal cerimony.
The set is composed of thirteen 'coins'; one per each month of the year and the 'extra' one to symbolize being able to share the couple's wealth with those more needed.
One face says 'God unites and blesses' and the other says 'Matrimonial Arras'.
This particular set is in silver (17 m/m pieces), probably from the 19th century, featuring an earlier design. The silver chest was a recent aquisition.

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junker · 25th October 2014, 12:31 PM

Hi,
talsimans will be an nice topic.

I got these two triangular silver things, which might be a kind of ordinary jewelery or a containers to keep papers with magic spells.
The dealer say it came from a chinese bride dress but i will put it in the northern african or caucasian region but i have no concrete idea about this.

Dirk

fernando · 26th October 2014, 10:10 PM

What are the measurements, Dirk ?
Is that a silver hallmark ? Can you post a close picture of it?

Richard G · 30th October 2014, 12:53 AM

The trinket to the right seems to have what could be a depiction of a bee in the middle. The trinket to the left seems to bear a letter(s) that could be Coptic or Hebrew. This would suggest a Christian or Jewish origin rather than Islamic, but nevertheless, I would suggest they are Arab.
Regards
Richard

junker · 30th October 2014, 01:24 PM

Hello,
the mesurement is 6 cm each side and yes it is maybe a halmark, but even with a magnifierer I could not see anything.
On sundy I can make more pictures of the rear side also
best
Dirk

junker · 2nd November 2014, 07:58 PM

Hi,
as promissed, here are the better photos of the chiffre, which maybe can be
decrypted by anyone.
Dirk

21st October 2014, 11:23 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Speaking of talismanic stuff These are the so called ARRAS, something said to come from Roman times, still in use in Spain and Mexico. Among several interpretations, they were/are offered by the groom to the bride, to pay for her virginity ... or a way to ensure safety and stability in the weding, towards sharing and strenghtening the couple material wellfare. In other versions they were/are delivered by the groom's godparents during the proposal cerimony. The set is composed of thirteen 'coins'; one per each month of the year and the 'extra' one to symbolize being able to share the couple's wealth with those more needed. One face says 'God unites and blesses' and the other says 'Matrimonial Arras'. This particular set is in silver (17 m/m pieces), probably from the 19th century, featuring an earlier design. The silver chest was a recent aquisition. . Attached Images

25th October 2014, 12:31 PM	#2
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Talisman container Hi, talsimans will be an nice topic. I got these two triangular silver things, which might be a kind of ordinary jewelery or a containers to keep papers with magic spells. The dealer say it came from a chinese bride dress but i will put it in the northern african or caucasian region but i have no concrete idea about this. Dirk Attached Images

30th October 2014, 12:53 AM	#4
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 406	The trinket to the right seems to have what could be a depiction of a bee in the middle. The trinket to the left seems to bear a letter(s) that could be Coptic or Hebrew. This would suggest a Christian or Jewish origin rather than Islamic, but nevertheless, I would suggest they are Arab. Regards Richard Last edited by Richard G; 30th October 2014 at 01:12 AM.

2nd November 2014, 07:58 PM	#6
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hi, as promissed, here are the better photos of the chiffre, which maybe can be decrypted by anyone. Dirk Attached Images

26th October 2014, 10:10 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	What are the measurements, Dirk ? Is that a silver hallmark ? Can you post a close picture of it?

30th October 2014, 01:24 PM	#5
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hello, the mesurement is 6 cm each side and yes it is maybe a halmark, but even with a magnifierer I could not see anything. On sundy I can make more pictures of the rear side also best Dirk