Morokris with strange features

Maurice · 14th September 2009, 09:14 AM

This weekend I took some photo's of a strange morokris.
The cacatua head was a bone one.
Also the blade was very strange. The end looked like a kampilan, only there was no protrusion. There was a seperate gangya.

Did anyone see something like this before?

Battara · 14th September 2009, 10:23 PM

Could be a lumad piece.

migueldiaz · 14th September 2009, 11:23 PM

Here's an alternative (long shot) theory -- could it be the short version of the sword that the Ilanun (Iranun) pirate is holding below?

Note that the guard of the Ilanun's kampilan is like that of a kris. Plus if he can rest his hand on the pommel like that, then it must not have been bifurcated.

In any case, thanks for the pic Maurice. Truly an intriguing piece

kai · 15th September 2009, 07:49 AM

Wow, Maurice, where did you dig up this stunner? Thanks a lot for posting pics!

I realize that you tried to avoid reflections but do you got any pic of the gangya area taken at a right angle? What is the approximate length of the blade? Any hints that the silver ferrule might be a bit later relacement?

At the moment, I'm not leaning towards a Lumad origin: the gangya work seems pretty much Moro to me...

Regards,
Kai

kronckew · 15th September 2009, 08:09 AM

some dhas have similar tips to the 'pirate' drawings

there are others on the forum research site under 'dhas'

the original posters one looks very klewang-like, similar to another mora style, a pira.

interesting combination of styles.

Maurice · 15th September 2009, 08:14 AM

Thank you all for your input.

Kai ofcourse I made some photo's of the gangya. But the people who know me better would have a laugh, cause they know also that of the 5 photo's I make, 4 are worthloss. Unfortunately that is the case on the gangya pictures.

The gangya looked very well made and was seperate. Those seperate pieces were definately belonging together.
The blade was not a very big one, I would rather say a bit like the morokris that came along with my kampilan, and which I shipped to you afterwards.

Sorry I can't give an answer on your ferrule question.

But if the pommel and the blade belong together???

Maurice

David · 15th September 2009, 02:00 PM

Maurice, where is this "kris". It is behind glass so i am assuming it is in a museum somewhere. If so, what info does the museum give on it?

Maurice · 15th September 2009, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Maurice, where is this "kris". It is behind glass so i am assuming it is in a museum somewhere. If so, what info does the museum give on it?

David, it was at the tribal art fair "Parcours des Mondes" in Paris. It was at a very small gallery which was closed all day when present. Therefore I coudn't ask any questions.

migueldiaz · 15th September 2009, 03:41 PM

Here's the detail of the Ilanun pirate's sword:

David · 15th September 2009, 05:12 PM

We can't see the very tip in these photos Maurice. Did it have a little hook extension like a kampilan?

Maurice · 15th September 2009, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

We can't see the very tip in these photos Maurice. Did it have a little hook extension like a kampilan?

That because the tip was behind the window frame. It had no protrusion like the kampilan.

14th September 2009, 09:14 AM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,342	Morokris with strange features This weekend I took some photo's of a strange morokris. The cacatua head was a bone one. Also the blade was very strange. The end looked like a kampilan, only there was no protrusion. There was a seperate gangya. Did anyone see something like this before? Attached Images

14th September 2009, 11:23 PM	#3
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Here's an alternative (long shot) theory -- could it be the short version of the sword that the Ilanun (Iranun) pirate is holding below? Note that the guard of the Ilanun's kampilan is like that of a kris. Plus if he can rest his hand on the pommel like that, then it must not have been bifurcated. In any case, thanks for the pic Maurice. Truly an intriguing piece Attached Images

15th September 2009, 03:41 PM	#9
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Here's the detail of the Ilanun pirate's sword: Attached Images

14th September 2009, 10:23 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Could be a lumad piece.

15th September 2009, 07:49 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Wow, Maurice, where did you dig up this stunner? Thanks a lot for posting pics! I realize that you tried to avoid reflections but do you got any pic of the gangya area taken at a right angle? What is the approximate length of the blade? Any hints that the silver ferrule might be a bit later relacement? At the moment, I'm not leaning towards a Lumad origin: the gangya work seems pretty much Moro to me... Regards, Kai

15th September 2009, 08:09 AM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,181	some dhas have similar tips to the 'pirate' drawings there are others on the forum research site under 'dhas' the original posters one looks very klewang-like, similar to another mora style, a pira. interesting combination of styles.

15th September 2009, 08:14 AM	#6
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,342	Thank you all for your input. Kai ofcourse I made some photo's of the gangya. But the people who know me better would have a laugh, cause they know also that of the 5 photo's I make, 4 are worthloss. Unfortunately that is the case on the gangya pictures. The gangya looked very well made and was seperate. Those seperate pieces were definately belonging together. The blade was not a very big one, I would rather say a bit like the morokris that came along with my kampilan, and which I shipped to you afterwards. Sorry I can't give an answer on your ferrule question. But if the pommel and the blade belong together??? Maurice

15th September 2009, 02:00 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,119	Maurice, where is this "kris". It is behind glass so i am assuming it is in a museum somewhere. If so, what info does the museum give on it?

15th September 2009, 05:12 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,119	We can't see the very tip in these photos Maurice. Did it have a little hook extension like a kampilan?