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This one appears on the Oriental-Arms old web site as sold item number 10593. Here is how Artrzi Yarom described it:
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However, I don't believe this is a Moro example. The pommel is similar to many Moro hilts of the 19th C, although the same style of hilt is seen on Malay kris. There are other features of this sword, however, that are atypical of a Moro kris, and I won't go into great detail about why it is not a Moro kris. Here are some features that seem atypical to me for a Moro kris:
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Clearly a Malay sundang! My age estimation, my feeling, would be the first half of the 19th century.
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Thanks Detlef. Why do you say "clearly a Malay sundang?" I came to that conclusion by noting that it was not a Moro kris (based on the negative features that I listed). Do you have affirmative features that lead you to think it is clearly a Malay kris?
What do you make of the greneng treatment in your assessment of age for a Malay kris? Last edited by Ian; 12th July 2024 at 02:08 AM. Reason: Clarified question asked. |
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Mainly the points you listed that it isn't a kris from the Philippines, the overall appearance. For the second question I'll leave it to others like Gustav to answer! ![]() Artzi isn't a specialist when it comes to South-East-Asian weapons, it wasn't the first wrong description he had given. For example: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=artzi http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=timor Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 12th July 2024 at 12:33 PM. |
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Yes, we can all make a mistake or two. I have been impressed, however, by the volume and diversity of edged weapons that Artzi has sold over the years. The breadth of his first-hand experience is remarkable.
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This is another kris from Oriental-Arms old site. The descripti0n provided is as follows:
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Hello Ian,
This blade style is usually found on the Malay peninsula. This is corroborated for the second example by the scabbard foot which is a Melayu feature (peninsula or coastal Sumatra). I'd place this blade into the second half of the 19th c.(or a tad later); hilt has been reworked/restored. The quality of these blades can vary quite a bit. The first blade exhibits pretty poor cold work and is most likely fairly young (despite the hole in the central fuller - probably bad judgement by the worker). In this case, I'm not even positive that it represents genuine native work (vs. Madura/etc.). Fittings are also modern. Regards, Kai |
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