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I bought an item at auction, because I was curious and I didn't understand what it was.
Now I have it in my hands, but I still can't understand what the hell it is. And I don't even understand which part of the world it comes from ... I thought it was a work tool, but it seems to me that it is too richly decorated, even in a rather "delicate" way, with inserts in copper, brass, braided iron wire ... Anyone have an idea? |
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I don't know what this is but for me the end of the grip looks like a cowboy or western boot. Maybe it is a tool to ease pulling on or of these boots?
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What about a tool to remove stones from horse's hooves?
Does the pointy bit hinge shut? I agree that the handle looks like a western boot but I can not see how one would use it to aid putting on or taking off boots. Stu |
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Could it be a trocar for cow paunch ?
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Mmmm. No answers here.
![]() Does't look North American West though. Perhaps Mexico or South America because there is something about it that say Spanish. It is not for treating hoofs because you need something short and very sturdy for that. JBG's suggestion, a trocar for cow paunch is interesting (autch), but I don't know if that would be something to carry around by cattle herders. We need a cowboys expert! |
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It looks like some type of sickle.
Possibly Bengali? Regards Richard |
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I think its an Afghan lohar thing or related...
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I've got to vote with the guys who say it is Mexican or South American. The cowboy boot to me doesn't lend itself to an Afghani attribution. Also, the inlay work reminds me of some of the fancy Mexican horse bits and spurs.
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Me I see large female breasts... Translation You see a boot whereas I see a curved pommel... ![]() |
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My first impression was indian object...
A new mistery!!! |
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Could it be for mixing fruit salads?
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Yes Kubur, but look more closely.......they are wearing cowgirl boots.
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Is there a hole in the "top of the boot"? If so what size and would something fit into it that is missing? The configuration of the spike and the handle don't seem to work just on their own.
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Boot? yes; Cowboy? That implies a USA bias. Many cultures wear boots. Not only Bovine/Equine herders. Military wore boots, mounted or not.
Does it have an edge? Is it on the inside of the curve? If both are true, I'd go with the grass trimming sickle. Maybe some noble had them made for his minions and wanted to show off that he was so rich even his slaves and low class servants had fancy tools. The different colour metallic bands suggest afghan. |
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Duccio,
I think your initial thought that this knife is a tool may be correct. The presence of a boot shaped hilt suggests to me that this is a leather knife, perhaps used for the splitting of leather. Ian. Last edited by Ian; 31st May 2020 at 02:45 PM. |
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Thank you all! I didn't think I got so many answers, so quickly! We don't know what this object is, but there are interesting hypotheses.
I personally believe that the right path is the one indicated by Richard G., who speaks of Indian agricultural tools; as seen in the links below, the shapes are very similar, although the decoration is completely missing. https://picclick.com/Unique-Farming-...063114755.html Otherwise we can always solve the question as archaeologists and ethnologists often do, defining this object as a "cult object", which is fine for everything .... thank you all! |
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The first lohar were agricultural tools, there is one in Dimitry's book.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25678 Kubur |
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Sorry guys, but this is not a sickle. It just wouldn't work. Sickles are thin and usually serrated and more curved. This is a thick and almost straight. Because it has an almost triangular cross-section, it is logical to assume it was used for perforating something. But what??
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I'm not giving up that easily! Whilst agreeing it probably does not fit the definition of a sickle if the definition includes a curved blade, I still think it is most probably a harvesting knife of some sort. With a sharp inside edge I think you could quite easily tackle asparagus, lettuce and similar market garden type crops.
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Antique reaping hook, note the decorative line carvings and the starburst washer under the bolster rivet, etc.
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At this point can we all agree that this interesting and mysterious item is NOT a weapon? I think it should be moved to the miscellaneous section.
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Yes. Farm tool.
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Hi Kronckew,
The picture shows what I said in my previous post: that a sickle has broad, curved and often serrated blade. A narrow and thick blade is inefficient for cutting, which the harvest of grain usually involves. Having said that, the picture shows that our object is most probably a farm tool from the same provenance as the sickle. Do you know where the sickle is from? |
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Your definition of broad and serrated vary from mine. They also wear down narrower as you sharpen them. You should have seen my Granny's:
How long it took from 'before' to 'after' I always wondered as all our butter knives were sharper. I suspect she had them at least 50 years... The site I found it on just called it an old reaping knife sickle. Further definitions said they in general could either be serrated or not. My example was not. I suspect it was British victorian. Last edited by kronckew; 8th June 2020 at 01:52 PM. |
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Hi Duccio,
Can you tell us if your weapon/ tool has two sharp edges? I can see that on your photo... I guess a sickle should have only one sharp edge... Here are the comments posted by Mahratt: Quote:
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Hello everyone,
there is only one sharp side, the inner side. It is not very sharp either, but it has a very fine serration, which can be seen a bit in the photo. |
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Ok, the object is no longer mysterious: it is a sickle produced in the Indo-Pakistani area; curiously very, very decorated compared to traditional work tools.
But the shape of the blade and the handle is the same, and the system of fixing the blade to the handle is also the same. I attach some photos, found following Kronckew's indication, which I thank. At this youtube link you can see the manufacturing process of these tools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ12BODBkrM And therefore, as a tool and not a weapon, this thread is in the wrong place ... Thanks again to everyone. |
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