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Salaams all,
I wonder if anyone has had a look at buckler shield history and fighting techniques. I believe it was quite an art form in European Sword Schools. ![]() Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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Salaam Ibrahiim,
Please cf. the famous German medieval fencing book Walpurgis-Fechtbuch MS I.33 of ca. 1320, now preserved in the Royal Armouries Leeds: http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Walpurgis..._%28MS_I.33%29 Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 7th December 2011 at 02:06 AM. |
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Fighting with buckler is very old and survived through some 500 years, in various forms (in Europe alone, not to mention the Turkish, Caucasian, Arab and Indo-Persian traditions). The I.33 is considered the oldest fechtbuch, dated to early14th century. Similar tactics deployed with an elaborated buckler can be seen in Talhoffer's fechtbuch, about 150 years later as well in other manuals. I believe the Scots kept on using bucklers up to the 18th century. The most famous honor duel (Jarnac and Châtaigneraye - France, 1547) was fought with military swords of the period and bucklers.
From personal experience: an excellent fighting tool for medium to close range, both defensive AND offensive. It travels most of the time - as vividly shown in I.33 - very close to the strong hand weapon in the same trajectory untill a parry, a blow or block is made. It developes upper-body phisics and coordination (of course basic coordination is needed). I prefer fencing with a cutlass, dussack or sinclair saber as a combination with a buckler. |
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Salaams all~ Yes I have all the references from the web such as excellent info from wikipedia and so forth. It seems to have been an excellent fighting style and well worth the research which I now see beginning to be recorded on forum. Thanks to Broadaxe and Matchlock especially for the excellent pictures which takes time to set up... much obliged for that
![]() Regards, Ibrahiim. PS. The Buckler Shield and sword combination is a style also developed by Omani swordsmen. |
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If you like, look up the web for Dave Rawlings of Boar's Tooth fighting school (London). He has done an excellent job interperting the I.33 and reviving it into modern videos. His approach is aggresive and to the point (met him in real life). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egwTkA1r57w
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Salaams broadaxe ~ A very excellent video indeed. There is also a very good rendition on style and history on the ARMA WEBSITE. I quote~ The Sword & Buckler Tradition - Part 1 By J. Clements Along with the longsword as a foundational weapon of training, the ARMA has always emphasized the sword and buckler as a vital tool of study. We now present here one of the most comprehensive looks at this system ever offered. The conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence are somewhat surprising and may lead students of the subject to reappraise the historical importance of this fencing method . As a fencing tradition in Europe the sword and buckler method was one of the oldest and most continuous combative systems.[1] To a large degree however, its place in fencing has been overshadowed by both the popular image of sword and shield fighting in the Middle Ages and the later Renaissance idea of rapier and dagger duelling. But today, modern enthusiasts and students of historical European martial arts are once again acquiring respect for this effective weapon combination. The result is something of a re-evaluation of the familiar conception of this versatile fighting method.Unquote. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi |
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Sabah el-Heir Ibrahim
John Clements is the founder & head of ARMA, and one of today's leading (though controversial) historians of western martial arts & weapons. I met him in a seminar a few years ago and like his approach most of the time. One of his best known experiences was to refute the common belief that a sword must be razor sharp (2 vids): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR9k23U-P10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=fFQ4aanmupU Here is a nice sword & buckler demonstration video - note: these are reconstructed techniques. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNF1bKo0v9k |
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I believe similar techniques of fighting with buckler also existed in the Muslim world, well into the modern age, but quickly faded away. Last family of fight masters was in Lebanon up to the 1970's to my best knowledge, and the art called saif oo terse.
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![]() Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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I am curious to know if the EU countries at any time had an Equivalent to the Madu?
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The dance is a known way of preserving the old martial arts, alas it mostly lost the martial intent. http://www.shweir.com/saif_oo_terse.htm
The Druze people also perform a sword dance with long sabers but no buckler. To my best knowledge one of the last muslim (non-arab) people who carry on hard core traditional martial arts is the Adiga (Circassian/Cherkess). |
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I see a situation where it may have been picked up and adopted by European Crusader troops including the Georgians and transferred to Europe. It was interesting to see that weaponry of this nature also goes back to the 8th C in Lebanon. It forms an extremely interesting interlude within the framework I am proposing on Omani "Sayf wa Terrs" ![]() Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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Masa ei-Heir Ibrahim, that web site is not mine by any means, I just posted the link.
BTW it is very intersting to know about Omani martial arts. |
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Salaams Gav ~ I had to look that up .. Madu From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia; A madu (maru, singuata) is an Indian parrying and thrusting weapon. It consists of a pair of antelope horns fastened behind a small plate consisting of stretched leather, iron, or steel with the tips of the horns pointing in opposite directions. The tips of the horns were often sheathed in steel, and the small plate served to protect the hand and wrist. It was usually wielded in the left hand, with a spear, dagger, or sword held in the right. It was favored by the Bhils, Hindu religious beggars, and by swordsmen as a weapon with both defensive and offensive potential. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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