Wear on (ivory) hilts

erikscollectables · 8th February 2009, 11:15 AM

I have three very similar Madura hilts.
They have the "exact" same design.
They all three look quite old.
But the amount of wear differs very much.

How much time does it take for as much wear as on the 3rd example?

(ps the 2nd one might be bone and the 3rd has a repair)

I know it probably says more about the amount of use than just age but it must have take quite few years even with much use.

Any ideas on age of these examples?

Regards, Erik

Sajen · 8th February 2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erikscollectables

I have three very similar Madura hilts.
They have the "exact" same design.
They all three look quite old.
But the amount of wear differs very much.

How much time does it take for as much wear as on the 3rd example?

(ps the 2nd one might be bone and the 3rd has a repair)

I know it probably says more about the amount of use than just age but it must have take quite few years even with much use.

Any ideas on age of these examples?

Regards, Erik

Hi Erik,
so far I know are these Maduran hilts strongly european swayed. This is to see by the epaulettes.
I think that the hilt in the middle also from ivory but difficult to to say without handling. I own also five ivory hilts in this style and all shown a different colour. I think that the hilt in the middle dates back to beginning 20 th century or end of 19 th century the others maybe many moore old.
The hilt in the middle is the finest, very well carved.
Regards,
sajen

erikscollectables · 8th February 2009, 02:49 PM

Thanks Sajen,

I agree totally, the carving of the middle one is very good, maybe the best in my collection,

Would you share pictures of your hilts here?

I am very interested in these type of hilts (and Madura in general too)

Erik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Erik,
so far I know are these Maduran hilts strongly european swayed. This is to see by the epaulettes.
I think that the hilt in the middle also from ivory but difficult to to say without handling. I own also five ivory hilts in this style and all shown a different colour. I think that the hilt in the middle dates back to beginning 20 th century or end of 19 th century the others maybe many moore old.
The hilt in the middle is the finest, very well carved.
Regards,
sajen

Sajen · 8th February 2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by erikscollectables

Thanks Sajen,

I agree totally, the carving of the middle one is very good, maybe the best in my collection,

Would you share pictures of your hilts here?

I am very interested in these type of hilts (and Madura in general too)

Erik

Erik,
when I will find the time I'll take some pictures from four, the other one not in my house in the moment.
Detlef

erikscollectables · 8th February 2009, 04:41 PM

This is probably my best ivory Madura hilt and my overall favorite...

erikscollectables · 8th February 2009, 04:44 PM

Another donoriko with Kuda Panoleh in the center
Marine ivory with a nice colour

Sajen · 8th February 2009, 04:48 PM

Hello Erik,
here the pictures, sorry poor quality because fast taken. At first three ivory hilts. Two of them without epaulettes, maybe a sign of age?
Second two wooden hilts of good quality and third a ivory one on a Madura keris with good quality like yours in the middle.
Regards,
sajen

Sajen · 8th February 2009, 05:11 PM

Erik,
your "white" ivory donoriko is very nice and from good quality. When you bored him pm me

.
Madura hilts have a great diversity of forms, you can found every time new styles. I personally like the "tree of life" form most.
From the donoriko style hilts I also have some.
Detlef

erikscollectables · 8th February 2009, 07:17 PM

Detlef,

Very nice examples! Like the one on the keris very much.
Great darkbrown colour. I have on in that colour too but the carving is very good indeed!

About the epaulets, I think these will be from after 1830 but more is hard to say and not having epaulets can be from all times is my guess.

Erik

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Erik,
your "white" ivory donoriko is very nice and from good quality. When you bored him pm me

.
Madura hilts have a great diversity of forms, you can found every time new styles. I personally like the "tree of life" form most.
From the donoriko style hilts I also have some.
Detlef

ganjawulung · 9th February 2009, 06:25 AM

Dear All,

Another example of Maduran hilt, from different side of view...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 9th February 2009, 06:28 AM

.. more Maduran hilt from three diferrent views...

JURANGGRAWAH

ganjawulung · 9th February 2009, 06:30 AM

... And Donoriko example, from different side of views...

JURANGGRAWAH

Marcokeris · 9th February 2009, 09:55 AM

three other similar Madura hits

Raden Usman Djogja · 9th February 2009, 06:57 PM

wouw... all hilts are great

erikscollectables · 9th February 2009, 07:52 PM

Totally agree! Some great hilts out there!

For the people in the Netherlands.
Next meeting of the Kris study group will be about Maduran krisses!

Regards, Erik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

wouw... all hilts are great

Sajen · 9th February 2009, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

wouw... all hilts are great

Yes,
also agree with Raden Usman Djogja. Very nice hilts.
Here my donoriko hilts, two from wood, the others ivory.
Detlef

Sajen · 9th February 2009, 10:13 PM

And one moore from ivory, open worked. One side with female kuda the other with male.

8th February 2009, 11:15 AM	#1
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Wear on (ivory) hilts I have three very similar Madura hilts. They have the "exact" same design. They all three look quite old. But the amount of wear differs very much. How much time does it take for as much wear as on the 3rd example? (ps the 2nd one might be bone and the 3rd has a repair) I know it probably says more about the amount of use than just age but it must have take quite few years even with much use. Any ideas on age of these examples? Regards, Erik Attached Images Last edited by erikscollectables; 8th February 2009 at 12:45 PM.

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erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	This is probably my best ivory Madura hilt and my overall favorite... Attached Images

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erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Another donoriko with Kuda Panoleh in the center Marine ivory with a nice colour Attached Images

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,788	Hello Erik, here the pictures, sorry poor quality because fast taken. At first three ivory hilts. Two of them without epaulettes, maybe a sign of age? Second two wooden hilts of good quality and third a ivory one on a Madura keris with good quality like yours in the middle. Regards, sajen Attached Images

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ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear All, Another example of Maduran hilt, from different side of view... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,788	Erik, your "white" ivory donoriko is very nice and from good quality. When you bored him pm me . Madura hilts have a great diversity of forms, you can found every time new styles. I personally like the "tree of life" form most. From the donoriko style hilts I also have some. Detlef

9th February 2009, 06:28 AM	#11
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	.. more Maduran hilt from three diferrent views... JURANGGRAWAH Attached Images

9th February 2009, 06:30 AM	#12
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	... And Donoriko example, from different side of views... JURANGGRAWAH Attached Images

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	three other similar Madura hits Attached Images

9th February 2009, 06:57 PM	#14
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	wouw... all hilts are great

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,788	And one moore from ivory, open worked. One side with female kuda the other with male. Attached Images