Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 7th December 2008, 01:42 AM   #1
Andrew
Member
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default Tanto: What do we have here?

This is owned by a friend of mine who obtained it in a lot of three Japanese swords. He brought it to me to examine and handle earlier this week.

The blade has been seriously abused by someone with a belt grinder, but it is quite "beefy" and heavy, so there is plenty of metal left to polish. The horimoto (carving on the blade) is detailed and deep.

All the fittings are either horn or iron inlaid with gold. Even the seppa are horn covered in gold. It is complete, with the exception of a missing kozuka (scabbard knife).

We removed the handle and examined the tang, which was devoid of any maker's marks or mei. However, it was covered in thick, dark stabalized patina. (He didn't forward photos of the tang to me yet, but I'll post them when he does).
Attached Images
            
Andrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th December 2008, 05:32 AM   #2
ariel
Member
 
ariel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 5,503
Default

Sure, it your friend's
Just fess up, Andrew, you are switching from SEA to Nihonto!
ariel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th December 2008, 01:58 PM   #3
Rich
Member
 
Rich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: comfortably at home, USA
Posts: 432
Default

Can't tell a whole lot about the blade due to lack of pics of it. I suspect
Late Shinshinto. The horimono (blade carving) is poorly done, so I suspect
a later addition perhaps to cover a flaw in the blade (commonly done). The
koshirae are most likely post war pieced together (nothing matches) done
for sale to the West. Keep in mind this is all speculation based on pictures
and I could be very wrong. Still could be an interesting coffee table tanto -
nothing wrong with that, I have a couple of them :-) However, I would
strongly recommend it be seen in person by someone knowledgeable in
Nihonto before you or friend think of having it professionally polished. The
polish could cost more than the tanto is worth.

Rich S
Rich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th December 2008, 03:19 PM   #4
Andrew
Member
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ariel
Sure, it your friend's
Just fess up, Andrew, you are switching from SEA to Nihonto!
You know I'm a one-trick pony, Ariel. The Nihonto waters are too deep for my liking!
Andrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th December 2008, 03:24 PM   #5
Andrew
Member
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
Can't tell a whole lot about the blade due to lack of pics of it. I suspect
Late Shinshinto. The horimono (blade carving) is poorly done, so I suspect
a later addition perhaps to cover a flaw in the blade (commonly done). The
koshirae are most likely post war pieced together (nothing matches) done
for sale to the West. Keep in mind this is all speculation based on pictures
and I could be very wrong. Still could be an interesting coffee table tanto -
nothing wrong with that, I have a couple of them :-) However, I would
strongly recommend it be seen in person by someone knowledgeable in
Nihonto before you or friend think of having it professionally polished. The
polish could cost more than the tanto is worth.

Rich S
Many thanks, Rich! I wondered about the maple-leaf/birds/water/fish/dragon koshirae "theme."

Is it common (or significant) for the tang to be devoid of marks?
Andrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th December 2008, 03:55 PM   #6
Rich
Member
 
Rich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: comfortably at home, USA
Posts: 432
Default

Yes, quite common for blades (of all eras) to be unsigned. About half of my
collection is composed of mumei (unsigned) blades. It may (?) by possible
if the blade was in better condition to make a guess as to the school or
even the smith. But again that requires someone much more knowledgeable
than I; in hand inspection and the blade in good polish.

There were a variety of reasons why blades were unsigned. For some smiths
it was considered improper to sign them; for others they didn't sign because
they felt it wasn't their better work; many blades have been shortened over
the years and the signatures cut off.

Rich S
Rich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th December 2008, 09:08 PM   #7
stekemest
Member
 
stekemest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Heidelberg, Germany
Posts: 182
Default

I agree that the quality of the horimono is quite low. Maybe you could show a few more pics of the blade and the tang.
Peter
stekemest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th December 2008, 08:36 PM   #8
Andrew
Member
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default

More pics:
Attached Images
     
Andrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th December 2008, 09:41 PM   #9
Andrew
Member
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default

More...
Attached Images
      
Andrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2008, 12:54 PM   #10
asomotif
Member
 
asomotif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 2,225
Default

Eek

Always hurts to see what people can do to a blade.
asomotif is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:56 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.