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Old 12th February 2017, 05:31 PM   #1
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Default late XV -Early XVI th century Swiss Degen

Degens are basically larger versions of the Swiss (Holbein) Dagger, These short swords seem to fulfil the same function as the katzbalgerr : a handy weapon for close quarter fighting.
O.L. 68 cm ; blade L. 52.8 cm; blade width at hilt 3.9 cm.
The examples showed in pictures are from the Reichsstadtmuseum
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Old 14th February 2017, 11:34 AM   #2
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Detail of construction :There is an iron or copper lamella between the crescent-shaped pommel and crossguard
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Old 14th February 2017, 11:58 AM   #3
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Jean-Luc, you don't have a catalogue COPY OF "WAFFEN IM SCHWEIZERISCHEN LANDSMUSEUM" ?
There you can observe thtee examples of Swiss deggen. All three have little different marks in their blades. I can scan them for you, as i think i also discern a little mark on the the forte of your example.
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Old 14th February 2017, 02:09 PM   #4
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Dear Fernando,

I don't have this book and of course it would be nice if you could scan this page.It seems There is a mark in the blade but unfortunately is it indecipherable , the blade could be better cleaned but I would be afraid to do it.
Also the lamella is of copper .
The description for this dagger ( picture) mention the same detail of construction





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Old 14th February 2017, 03:01 PM   #5
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Let's see what i can do ...


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Old 14th February 2017, 03:05 PM   #6
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Thank you Fernando !
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Old 15th February 2017, 09:48 AM   #8
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Two Swiss daggers with sheaths from the Boissonas collection’s catalogue, the one on the left (160) with mark.
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I have a Swiss dagger in m y collection without these copper lamellas. Length is 345mm. It is nearly the same as the n°7 in the foto above.
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Old 15th February 2017, 05:37 PM   #10
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A SWISS DAGGER, 14TH CENTURY ( auctioned this year for 2250 € with fees)
in excavated condition, with tapering blade formed with a flat inner face, the outer of flattened-triangular section and flattened over the lower third, iron hilt comprising cross-guard with block-shaped terminals, elliptical pommel and hardwood grip, perhaps the original
20.5 cm; 8 1/8 in blade
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