Comments about a shamshir

paolo · 18th February 2007, 06:52 PM

Hi all,
I have many questions about this shamshir :
1. The translation of the writings in the cartouche
2. The meaning of the figures on the hilt
2. Its age
3. The blade is completly covered by a dark patina. Probably under there is a good wootz. How might I remove only the patina without ruin the damascus ?
Regards
Paolo

Battara · 20th February 2007, 02:20 AM

I'm guessing Persian and 19th century Qajar period.

ariel · 20th February 2007, 03:01 AM

And the signature says "Assadollah slept here"

Jens Nordlunde · 20th February 2007, 11:00 PM

Hi Paolo,

Nice shamshir, Persian I would say, although I don't know much about Persian swords, but there are others on the forum who can help.

It is always a risk to remove the patina. If you don't find wootz, would you be sorry, or would you be as glad for the shamshir anyway?

Nice pictures

, and dont believe what Ariel writes - although I know he tries to be helpful

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katana · 20th February 2007, 11:36 PM

Hi Paulo,
nice Shamshir....another sword to add to the 'wanted list'

Is it me ...but the figure looks like a European in Renaissance period dress..

Joe · 21st February 2007, 02:24 AM

Yes, nice shamshir. Handle is definately Persian, Qajar Revival period. The blade however, appears much older, and may be 18th century.

paolo · 21st February 2007, 01:57 PM

Thank You all for the inputs.

Katana, also I noted on many Persian hilts (above all on ivory kanjars of Qajar period) that the figures are showed with dresses that seems these of the European Renaissance. I wondered at it.

Regards
Paolo

18th February 2007, 06:52 PM	#1
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Comments about a shamshir Hi all, I have many questions about this shamshir : 1. The translation of the writings in the cartouche 2. The meaning of the figures on the hilt 2. Its age 3. The blade is completly covered by a dark patina. Probably under there is a good wootz. How might I remove only the patina without ruin the damascus ? Regards Paolo Attached Images

20th February 2007, 11:00 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Paolo, Nice shamshir, Persian I would say, although I don't know much about Persian swords, but there are others on the forum who can help. It is always a risk to remove the patina. If you don't find wootz, would you be sorry, or would you be as glad for the shamshir anyway? Nice pictures, and dont believe what Ariel writes - although I know he tries to be helpful.

20th February 2007, 11:36 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Paulo, nice Shamshir....another sword to add to the 'wanted list' Is it me ...but the figure looks like a European in Renaissance period dress.. Attached Images

20th February 2007, 02:20 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I'm guessing Persian and 19th century Qajar period.

20th February 2007, 03:01 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	And the signature says "Assadollah slept here"

21st February 2007, 02:24 AM	#6
Joe Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 48	Yes, nice shamshir. Handle is definately Persian, Qajar Revival period. The blade however, appears much older, and may be 18th century.

21st February 2007, 01:57 PM	#7
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Thank You all for the inputs. Katana, also I noted on many Persian hilts (above all on ivory kanjars of Qajar period) that the figures are showed with dresses that seems these of the European Renaissance. I wondered at it. Regards Paolo