Qing dynasty embroidery

josh stout · 23rd March 2007, 06:31 PM

Hello-

I am new to this forum, but have participated in other edged weapons discussions. This seems like a knowledgeable group, so I thought you might be able to help with something.

This is an embroidery that my grandmother told me was a Qing dynasty piece worn by a Manchu courtier. What do you think it is?

Now for the weapons part: The man with the spear looks like a Chinese general. Can anybody tell me who he is? Is this from a standard story? I notice the spear has a round counterweight at the end. Has anybody seen a similar Chinese counterweight? I have seen one Tibetan pointed counterweight, but most spears depicted don't seem to have anything on the but end.
Josh

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...duation322.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...duation317.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...duation318.jpg

David · 23rd March 2007, 06:52 PM

Ah, spears and love in the garden...

Sorry Josh, i can't tell you much, but i just wanted to welcome you to the forum. I know from SFI that you have at least a passing interest in keris as well so i hope to see you over on that side of the forum soon.

josh stout · 26th March 2007, 03:05 PM

Thanks, I plan to enter the discussion, I just have less to say on keris than Chinese things.

You are right, I think, about love in the garden. It is hard to see from the picture, but the woman is handing two interlocked rings to the man. Is this something relating to a wedding?
Josh

Jens Nordlunde · 26th March 2007, 10:40 PM

Unfortunately I can't help you, but have you tried to ask a museum specialised in Chinese art?

Jens

josh stout · 27th March 2007, 09:20 PM

This was my first attempt to get info.
Josh

josh stout · 4th April 2007, 07:10 PM

OK, I found the information. This is what a Chinese friend told me:

"About the embroidery, the design on it shows a scene in opera, the scene is probably a well-known story in Three Kingdoms period, named "Feng Yi Ting". It's about a great general Lu Bu and a beauty Diao Chan. Diao Chan is one of the four most beautiful women in China's history. The usage of the embroidery is not very certain. Maybe hanging in front of the chest."

RhysMichael · 4th April 2007, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh stout

This was my first attempt to get info.
Josh

You may want to message Scott or Phillip they should be some help

Jens Nordlunde · 4th April 2007, 08:04 PM

I am glad you got an explanation, although the subject was a little different than what we normally discuss

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Jens

23rd March 2007, 06:31 PM	#1
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	Qing dynasty embroidery Hello- I am new to this forum, but have participated in other edged weapons discussions. This seems like a knowledgeable group, so I thought you might be able to help with something. This is an embroidery that my grandmother told me was a Qing dynasty piece worn by a Manchu courtier. What do you think it is? Now for the weapons part: The man with the spear looks like a Chinese general. Can anybody tell me who he is? Is this from a standard story? I notice the spear has a round counterweight at the end. Has anybody seen a similar Chinese counterweight? I have seen one Tibetan pointed counterweight, but most spears depicted don't seem to have anything on the but end. Josh http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...duation322.jpg http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...duation317.jpg http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...duation318.jpg

4th April 2007, 08:04 PM	#8
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I am glad you got an explanation, although the subject was a little different than what we normally discuss. Jens

23rd March 2007, 06:52 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	Ah, spears and love in the garden... Sorry Josh, i can't tell you much, but i just wanted to welcome you to the forum. I know from SFI that you have at least a passing interest in keris as well so i hope to see you over on that side of the forum soon.

26th March 2007, 03:05 PM	#3
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	Thanks, I plan to enter the discussion, I just have less to say on keris than Chinese things. You are right, I think, about love in the garden. It is hard to see from the picture, but the woman is handing two interlocked rings to the man. Is this something relating to a wedding? Josh

26th March 2007, 10:40 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Unfortunately I can't help you, but have you tried to ask a museum specialised in Chinese art? Jens

27th March 2007, 09:20 PM	#5
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	This was my first attempt to get info. Josh

4th April 2007, 07:10 PM	#6
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	OK, I found the information. This is what a Chinese friend told me: "About the embroidery, the design on it shows a scene in opera, the scene is probably a well-known story in Three Kingdoms period, named "Feng Yi Ting". It's about a great general Lu Bu and a beauty Diao Chan. Diao Chan is one of the four most beautiful women in China's history. The usage of the embroidery is not very certain. Maybe hanging in front of the chest."