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Gents,
Please help to id this marking if it possible. Blade looks like remains of European dagger. Thank you in advance, Evgeny |
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I guess nobody recognizes the marking.
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Such a pity, Evgeny. It is so clear and no one recognizes it.
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All I can say is that the shield shape looks like a Victorian wedge. And the arrow with the line looks like a simplified anchor.
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with the short tapered tang and the remains of a rivet, is this probably about the blade of a plug bayonet, 17thC.
one could try to find the mark in this category. best, jasper |
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That is surpising news, Jasper ... at least to me
![]() According to authority R.D.C. Evans and also to a few plug bayonets i have and had myself, always we have a pin-tang system, which runs full length of the hilt. Very, very rarely we have a push tang, where a short tapered tang passes through an aperture in the crossguard, the grip added by hammering it onto the remaining tang length, secured by friction or by gluing, a popular table-cuttlery method, visibly lacking in strenght. In any case, no rivets taking place ... at least that i have heard of ![]() . Last edited by fernando; 2nd March 2018 at 08:08 PM. |
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best, Jasper |
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I dare say Jasper, that this beautiful dagger is not a plug bayonet. Its handle lacks the obligatory shape, namely the grip swell.
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for me it is more a bayonet, besides only taper is needed to stay in the barrel. see eg English bayonet from the end of the 17th century.
best, jasper |
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Let me try and make myself understood, Jasper ...
You must have the grip tapering in a way that you push it firmly towards the swell, until you get it 'stuck', to prevent it from oscilating; no more 'hollow' space between this and the crossguard ferrule. The British example you show is correct; but i am afraid your previous example doesn't fit into the plug bayonet category. I am no expert though; but it helps to look at a couple hundred plug bayonets in rather comprehensive R.D.C. book; none has rivets in their handles, by the way. . |
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although it is not in the book of Evans, for me it is a plug bayonet and one with a riveted grip.
if you have a different opinion, which differs from mine, that is absolutely fine of course. best, Jasper |
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Met vriendelijke groeten
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