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Greetings folks!
Just got this from eBay. The blade is laminated. The triple crown is missing 3 tips. The hilt is black coral (aka bahar) and the end is ivory. Been looking for one for years. What got me was the laminated blade, gold, and especially the rare black coral. I will make a scabbard for it this summer and one day scrape up the money for the missing gold tips ($ ![]() Enjoy ![]() |
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Whats that green stuff?
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Congrats Jose,
I'm glad you finally have found one! Can you peek how the ivory part is attached to the akar bahar? PS Tim, the green stuff on the golden crowns is enamel. Maurice |
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The green stuff is enamel in the gold recesses.
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crossed post's...
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Thanks Maurice. The ivory seems attached with epoxy but is very solid.
Also the whole piece is 15 inches long (about 37.5 cm). Bigger than I expected! |
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So that is where it went
![]() Unfortunately my budget was not enough to grab it, as it looks like an interestin restauration project. Not a very common type with the akah bahar and golden crowns. The ivory part of the handle, could it be that there has been a golden sleeve on that end ? The handle looks polished, probably done when they fixed the ivory. |
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even if that's not my field, I appreciated this very nice dagger ... ![]() what's made me mad, it's the beautiful hilt in ... BLACK CORAL ![]() for 3 years, I dived 2 to 3 times weekly in Red Sea, North of Jeddah ... our target was ==> "black coral" ... but it's rare ![]() again congratulations à + Dom |
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I agree with you Asomotif - probably polished with the ivory. Do you think it had a gold sheath over the ivory?
Dom - that was one of the big selling points for me - the black coral. Only seen one other one in my life and they wanted a lot for it (no gold with that one). Yes very hard to find. Shocked to see it, and then get it! ![]() |
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Congrats, Jose!
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Erik may be tempted to post more pics of his rencong... (Left one on the first pic shown in this thread.) Regards, Kai |
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Good point Kai. I see what you mean. However I don't think I have the skills nor the gold to place upon the upturned end (not that you suggested it...). Thanks for the picture.
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[QUOTE=Battara]I agree with you Asomotif - probably polished with the ivory. Do you think it had a gold sheath over the ivory?
[QUOTE] Yes, I am even quite sure. Check out Erik's example on the left. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12406 |
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Arrggggh... I'm stuck in a no-man's land between an objective appreciation of the form and now wanting one myself.
![]() Gotta draw the line somewhere, and my line is somewhere South of rencong. Beautiful piece, Jose... ![]() |
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As requested a few pictures of my version
![]() Stil very very happy with that one! The black coral is very delicate so you see quite often either two parts of Akar Bahar for the curve or the type of handle without the end angle piece. Or as in my case a gold cover to strengthen the angle. If I had had to restore this one I would probably have made it rounded ipo extended. That is very hard to notice and could easily have been done originally too or have been an old repair and it is the easiest solution. Here someone put quite a bit of work in restoring it where there would have been easier options so there might be a reason behind it? Regards, Erik |
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![]() Ps. I think the ivory piece is a western recent addition. I have never seen this on old museum collection pieces. But replacing a gold cover with enamel seems like madness to me. ![]() |
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I think it would be a big challange for you in your noble smith class.... ![]() Nice rencongs BTW. Kind Regards, Maurice |
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![]() ![]() I found "Silversmith" and "forging". But restoring the end cap in gold, with chisseling and enamel work... It looks like a very tough job. Would it be possible Jose ?? |
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Here is an example I found on the web.
Collection Tropenmuseum. Not the unusual type of golden crown on this one ![]() |
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Thank you Asomotif and Erik.
Erik - have never seen the end of this type before and therefore did not know that the end cap was filigree with a stone. Below are your museum pictures filtered to see more detail for our forum records. |
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Thank you Jonno. I have looked at these rencongs from a link by another member in this thread and have noticed that several of these have gold sections missing from them.
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100% perfect ones are really really rare - most have a problem somewhere...
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This is not always the case - most often it is the same as the other parts flat with enamel inlay. Stones you see more often but stone and the filigree is quite rare I think. My expectation is that is you had to have to buy the gold for the rear piece and then also the time of a jeweller to make it you would spend more than on buying a perfect old example. Remember the gold is above 18k and current gold prices are not funny at all....nor are jewellers hourly wages and this would take a bit of time for someone to make.... Best regards, Erik |
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Yes I have been thinking of that. The most I think I could afford is for the crowns to be complete. I figure that getting the whole piece restored in gold would be around $2000+.
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