sword id requested

RobT · 3rd March 2007, 07:00 PM

Hi all,
I believe this type of sword has already been discussed but I have forgotten the name and the thread. I would appreciate it if someone could provide me with either. My specimen has a 19.5" (49.5cm) long blade with a spine thickness at the hilt of a hair under 3/8" (8mm). The 4.75" (12cm) hilt is of hardwood that has a color and figure similar to tiger maple. There is a rattan wrap around the base of the hilt that, along with the scabbard throat treatment, reminds one of a mandau or jimpul. The black lacquered, two piece, wood scabbard is held together with what appear to be silver bands. The top band is 8 7/8" (22.5cm) long and is surmounted by a scalloped copper band and then a narrow silver band with an embossed woven rope decoration. This design is echoed on the bottom of the scabbard. The band at the drag is shaped to match the scabbard tip and is held to the scabbard by a pin through the domed center of an embossed copper square set at a 45° angle.
Sincerely,
RobT

RhysMichael · 3rd March 2007, 10:11 PM

Hard for me to see the picture well but I would guess Indonesian maybe a Jono from sumatra or a Kalasan but I have not seen one with that type of hilt . That type of scabbard is seen with a kasalan

RobT · 4th March 2007, 12:14 AM

Hi RhysMichael,
I think Sumatra also but as I said at the top of my post, I believe this type has been discussed before so someone will probably have an exact id.
Sincerely,
RobT

RobT · 6th March 2007, 02:22 AM

Hi again RhysMichael,
Thanks for the id of kalasan. I did a forum search and that's what the blade appears to be. I also noticed that my blade is set deeper in the hilt than the others I saw in the archive so it's quite possible that the hilt isn't original to the blade. The blade is a bit loose in the hilt so perhaps I'll pull it out a bit and see how it looks then. The hilt fits around the tang closely, is very well carved and is of nicely figured wood so if it is a replacement, it was done with care.
Sincerely,
RobT

3rd March 2007, 07:00 PM	#1
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 488	sword id requested Hi all, I believe this type of sword has already been discussed but I have forgotten the name and the thread. I would appreciate it if someone could provide me with either. My specimen has a 19.5" (49.5cm) long blade with a spine thickness at the hilt of a hair under 3/8" (8mm). The 4.75" (12cm) hilt is of hardwood that has a color and figure similar to tiger maple. There is a rattan wrap around the base of the hilt that, along with the scabbard throat treatment, reminds one of a mandau or jimpul. The black lacquered, two piece, wood scabbard is held together with what appear to be silver bands. The top band is 8 7/8" (22.5cm) long and is surmounted by a scalloped copper band and then a narrow silver band with an embossed woven rope decoration. This design is echoed on the bottom of the scabbard. The band at the drag is shaped to match the scabbard tip and is held to the scabbard by a pin through the domed center of an embossed copper square set at a 45° angle. Sincerely, RobT Attached Images Last edited by RobT; 4th March 2007 at 12:06 AM. Reason: changed pdf to jpeg

4th March 2007, 12:14 AM	#3
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 488	I think Sumatra also Hi RhysMichael, I think Sumatra also but as I said at the top of my post, I believe this type has been discussed before so someone will probably have an exact id. Sincerely, RobT

6th March 2007, 02:22 AM	#4
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 488	Thanks for the ID Hi again RhysMichael, Thanks for the id of kalasan. I did a forum search and that's what the blade appears to be. I also noticed that my blade is set deeper in the hilt than the others I saw in the archive so it's quite possible that the hilt isn't original to the blade. The blade is a bit loose in the hilt so perhaps I'll pull it out a bit and see how it looks then. The hilt fits around the tang closely, is very well carved and is of nicely figured wood so if it is a replacement, it was done with care. Sincerely, RobT Last edited by RobT; 6th March 2007 at 02:25 AM. Reason: additional info

3rd March 2007, 10:11 PM	#2
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Hard for me to see the picture well but I would guess Indonesian maybe a Jono from sumatra or a Kalasan but I have not seen one with that type of hilt . That type of scabbard is seen with a kasalan