Kris Handle...

Spunjer · 5th June 2006, 11:01 PM

found a dealer that carry rattan strips, which is real nice and pliable. well, i had a kris handle that restored using twine, but i was wondering how it would look with rattan strips (there's one on cato's book). so here's the kris when i acquired it:

Spunjer · 5th June 2006, 11:04 PM

the thread on the handle was very fragile and it was coming off, so i decided to redo it.

Spunjer · 5th June 2006, 11:09 PM

well, like i said, with this rattan strips, i think i can even make it look more bootyful. this is preliminary since i just wanna see how it looks. without stain, it looks pretty cool already. my question is, does anyone owns a kris with rattan strip handle and could you please kindly post it so i can see the patterns invlove? i think those type of kris handle is nort as common; either that or it came off a while back and rewrapped with cord instead. the rattan stripp handle on this type of kris i believe, matches better, IMHO...

thanks in advance,
ron

Lew · 5th June 2006, 11:17 PM

Spunjer

I would have just applied some pitch to the cord wrap that would have done the trick. You wrapped it ok but you should try using thinner strips of rattan. The wide stuff seems a bit much for a 5" grip.

Lew

Spunjer · 5th June 2006, 11:27 PM

thanks for the suggestion, lew. the cord does look nice, with pitch even, but most of my krises has cord grips and zero rattan grips. yeah it kinda look plain. i do have a thinner rattan strip which i used to work on my pira scabbard (to be stained later). like i said i'm just experimenting on this type of grip...

punal · 6th June 2006, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

well, like i said, with this rattan strips, i think i can even make it look more bootyful. this is preliminary since i just wanna see how it looks. without stain, it looks pretty cool already. my question is, does anyone owns a kris with rattan strip handle and could you please kindly post it so i can see the patterns invlove? i think those type of kris handle is nort as common; either that or it came off a while back and rewrapped with cord instead. the rattan stripp handle on this type of kris i believe, matches better, IMHO...

thanks in advance,
ron

d're, two krises of mine w/ rattan strip handles. the kris w/ ball pommel has a thicker rattan strips(original wrap) while the ingraved kris has thinner strips. the ingraved krises hilt was missing a wrap exposing the iron clamp so i decided to do it my self /4th grade p.i practical arts comes handly (making broom sticks rattan rings). let me know if you needed the thinner rattan strips, i got lots of 'em.

punal · 6th June 2006, 05:15 PM

this scabbards had electric wire wraps on 'em, i had it replaced w/ rattan strips.

Spunjer · 7th June 2006, 06:34 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! lolz at 4th grade p.i.practical arts!!!

dood, we made some cup holders using rattan strips (notre dame dadiangas). funny thing is, i was just thinking about that while i was working on my kris. *just spit my soda when i read your post*

as for the rattan, ayos na ako, pare. went to this website to buy it:
http://www.goldenwitch.com/index.php...attan%20Strips
thanks for the offer, tho....

kino · 7th June 2006, 02:57 PM

Spunger, Here are a few photos of rattan wrapped hilts. AFAIK, these are original to the swords. Each of them wrapped differently, all intricate. I have shown some wrapping to basket weavers, to see if they could copy it, I haven't found one that could, one came close. Good luck in your project.

MABAGANI · 7th June 2006, 04:17 PM

Nice set, the double pattern is often found using wire brass, copper or silver.

Henk · 7th June 2006, 05:02 PM

Great, that link for rattan.

Are there instructions avaible how to weave bands for scabbards with rattan?

Spunjer · 7th June 2006, 09:28 PM

kino,
thanks for the pics. i like the one with MOP(?) handle weave. that's what i've been thinking of doing...

henk,
i was thinking about googling basket weaving, lol... the company's pretty reliable..

Spunjer · 11th June 2006, 10:55 PM

kino,

would you mind posting both sides of the bone pommel miniature kakatua handle? just wanna see how it looks like on the other side. thanks in advance..

Rick · 11th June 2006, 11:47 PM

Some of these techniques could be adapted to rattan .

Spunjer · 12th June 2006, 04:47 PM

thanks for the the pics, rick! that's gonna be a lot of help...

btw, what book is that???

kino · 12th June 2006, 06:07 PM

Spunger, I think the weave is, 2 sets of 3 strands of rattan(totaling 6), opposite each other. As they go around the hilt, one set goes up on one side the other goes down the opposite side, you need four sets of hands totaling 8. Don't get them tangled up (the hands), if it doesn't work try again. It's very easy, anyone can do it, except me.

Rick · 12th June 2006, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

thanks for the the pics, rick! that's gonna be a lot of help...

btw, what book is that???

Ron ,

Creative Ropecraft
Stuart E. Grainger
Published by W. W. Norton
isbn 0 393 08746 8

Of course the bible is Ashley's Book of Knots .

You work the rattan wet or dry ?

Rick

Henk · 12th June 2006, 08:29 PM

Rick,

Thanks for the info. That will certainly help to restore lost bands on scabbards.
I think the best way to weave with rattan is wet. The rattan will be more flexible. I suppose if rattan is used dry it will break very easily.

Ian · 12th June 2006, 08:38 PM

Agreed. I always work with wet rattan. Also, it shrinks a little as it dries which helps tighten up the weave somewhat.

Ian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Rick,

Thanks for the info. That will certainly help to restore lost bands on scabbards.
I think the best way to weave with rattan is wet. The rattan will be more flexible. I suppose if rattan is used dry it will break very easily.

Spunjer · 12th June 2006, 11:45 PM

yup, i soak the rattan strips for like an hour or so before working with it...

5th June 2006, 11:01 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Kris Handle... found a dealer that carry rattan strips, which is real nice and pliable. well, i had a kris handle that restored using twine, but i was wondering how it would look with rattan strips (there's one on cato's book). so here's the kris when i acquired it: Attached Images

5th June 2006, 11:04 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	the thread on the handle was very fragile and it was coming off, so i decided to redo it. Attached Images

5th June 2006, 11:09 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	well, like i said, with this rattan strips, i think i can even make it look more bootyful. this is preliminary since i just wanna see how it looks. without stain, it looks pretty cool already. my question is, does anyone owns a kris with rattan strip handle and could you please kindly post it so i can see the patterns invlove? i think those type of kris handle is nort as common; either that or it came off a while back and rewrapped with cord instead. the rattan stripp handle on this type of kris i believe, matches better, IMHO... thanks in advance, ron Attached Images

5th June 2006, 11:27 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	thanks for the suggestion, lew. the cord does look nice, with pitch even, but most of my krises has cord grips and zero rattan grips. yeah it kinda look plain. i do have a thinner rattan strip which i used to work on my pira scabbard (to be stained later). like i said i'm just experimenting on this type of grip... Attached Images

6th June 2006, 05:15 PM	#7
punal Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 91	this scabbards had electric wire wraps on 'em, i had it replaced w/ rattan strips. Attached Images Last edited by punal; 6th June 2006 at 05:28 PM.

5th June 2006, 11:17 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Spunjer I would have just applied some pitch to the cord wrap that would have done the trick. You wrapped it ok but you should try using thinner strips of rattan. The wide stuff seems a bit much for a 5" grip. Lew

7th June 2006, 06:34 AM	#8
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! lolz at 4th grade p.i.practical arts!!! dood, we made some cup holders using rattan strips (notre dame dadiangas). funny thing is, i was just thinking about that while i was working on my kris. just spit my soda when i read your post as for the rattan, ayos na ako, pare. went to this website to buy it: http://www.goldenwitch.com/index.php...attan%20Strips thanks for the offer, tho....

7th June 2006, 02:57 PM	#9
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Spunger, Here are a few photos of rattan wrapped hilts. AFAIK, these are original to the swords. Each of them wrapped differently, all intricate. I have shown some wrapping to basket weavers, to see if they could copy it, I haven't found one that could, one came close. Good luck in your project. Attached Images

7th June 2006, 04:17 PM	#10
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Nice set, the double pattern is often found using wire brass, copper or silver.

7th June 2006, 05:02 PM	#11
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Great, that link for rattan. Are there instructions avaible how to weave bands for scabbards with rattan?

7th June 2006, 09:28 PM	#12
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	kino, thanks for the pics. i like the one with MOP(?) handle weave. that's what i've been thinking of doing... henk, i was thinking about googling basket weaving, lol... the company's pretty reliable..

11th June 2006, 10:55 PM	#13
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	kino, would you mind posting both sides of the bone pommel miniature kakatua handle? just wanna see how it looks like on the other side. thanks in advance..

11th June 2006, 11:47 PM	#14
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Possibly ..... Some of these techniques could be adapted to rattan . Attached Images

12th June 2006, 04:47 PM	#15
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	thanks for the the pics, rick! that's gonna be a lot of help... btw, what book is that???

12th June 2006, 06:07 PM	#16
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Spunger, I think the weave is, 2 sets of 3 strands of rattan(totaling 6), opposite each other. As they go around the hilt, one set goes up on one side the other goes down the opposite side, you need four sets of hands totaling 8. Don't get them tangled up (the hands), if it doesn't work try again. It's very easy, anyone can do it, except me. Attached Images

12th June 2006, 08:29 PM	#18
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Rick, Thanks for the info. That will certainly help to restore lost bands on scabbards. I think the best way to weave with rattan is wet. The rattan will be more flexible. I suppose if rattan is used dry it will break very easily.

12th June 2006, 11:45 PM	#20
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	yup, i soak the rattan strips for like an hour or so before working with it...