BUGIS KERIS 9 LUK for comments or fun

asomotif · 18th March 2008, 09:44 AM

Lucky lucky lucky me.

I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing.

Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ?

brekele · 18th March 2008, 11:44 AM

Niiiice

blade Wilhem

I agree with you Raja abala raja luk 9.
after I look at your blade, i try to look at this 4 of blades and my feeling was zero

hhhmm....where in east of lombok to find old blade like yours

YOU REALY LUCKY WILHEM.

bre.

Alam Shah · 18th March 2008, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Lucky lucky lucky me.
I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing.
Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ?

Congrats! Lovely Bugis-influenced blade... The sheath is typical Bugis, but not original to the blade. The gandik and the greneng areas suggest a Northern Peninsular or Sumatran origin, perhaps.

Beautiful pamor and a nice 'ganja iras' blade.

asomotif · 18th March 2008, 06:48 PM

Thanks for the info.

I was not sure about the fit of the blade myself.
But the total of the blade the nice massive selut and the old ukiran made me buy it anyway. Here these old keris are also getting difficult to find.

Best regards,
Willem

Ps. any suggestions on how a toli toli shoud look on this keris ?

Alam Shah · 19th March 2008, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Thanks for the info.

I was not sure about the fit of the blade myself.
But the total of the blade the nice massive selut and the old ukiran made me buy it anyway. Here these old keris are also getting difficult to find.

Ps. any suggestions on how a toli toli shoud look on this keris ?

A good buy, nevertheless. I'm most interested in the blade.

Click here to see how to tie a toli-toli.

A. G. Maisey · 19th March 2008, 04:12 AM

You know. I've looked a few times at that blade in the wrongko.

To me, it looks OK.

Yeah, the curve of the top of the wrongko and the curve of the gonjo are different, but the buntut urang and the sirah cecak are mated to the line of the wood; yeah, there seems to be a bit of sloppiness around the edge of the gonjo, but you get this anyway with an old original wrongko.

From what I can see---only from what I can see-- I would not be prepared to say this wrongko was not original to the blade.

Alam Shah · 19th March 2008, 06:06 AM

Hi Willem,

If it's not too much to ask, could you post 2 pictures.
1) A close-up of the base of the blade, (sample).
2) A close-up of the sheath where the blade rest in its sheath, (sample).

Thanks,
Shah

asomotif · 19th March 2008, 02:43 PM

Dear Shah,

Thank you for the toli toli instructions.

I will try to find a nice modest cord somewhere.

I will make some better pictures of blade and the fit in the scabbard too.

Best regards,
Willem

Newsteel · 20th March 2008, 03:34 AM

The blade is good and the greneng are still in good shape. Scabbard may not be original but it is old, probably the initial owner replaced it due to damage and well lasted until it got to your hands.

asomotif · 20th March 2008, 02:09 PM

The additional pictures, still far from perfect

Alam Shah · 20th March 2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

The additional pictures, still far from perfect

Thank you, Willem. Good enough for my purpose.
I stand firm with my initial opinion that the old sheath is not original to the blade. However, it does adequately house the blade nicely.

The blade is Sumatran, imho... a very nicely made ganja-iras piece. It looks even better with these newer pictures. Thank you for sharing.

asomotif · 20th March 2008, 04:39 PM

Dear Alam,

Do you have any idea on the age of this blade ?

Alam Shah · 20th March 2008, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Dear Alam,

Do you have any idea on the age of this blade ?

I'm sorry Willem, age-wise... I'm not sure. Perhaps other might be able to assist.

Henk · 20th March 2008, 09:18 PM

I agree with Alam Shah. The scabbard wasn't made for this blade.
Nice keris with gondjo iras.

Won't burn my fingers either by guessing the age of a keris blade. Unless the blade has some characteristics to make a careful guess. Even then it will remain a guess.

A. G. Maisey · 21st March 2008, 12:41 AM

Maybe this wrongko was not original to the blade, but quite frankly, I still cannot see sufficient to allow me to say one way or the other. Yes, I can see the opening in front of the sirah cecak, but the kembang kacang projects beyond the sirah cecak; yes I can see the amount that the top of the gonjo sits above the curve of the wrongko, but the gonjo is abnormally straight, yes, I can see that the buntut urang sits proud of the wood, but I can also see that this is a large and substantial blade, and the joint of the gambar to gandar has not been reset.

It is also a fact of life that not all keris blades had their wrongkos made by master craftsmen who invariably achieved a perfect fit of blade to wood. Many old blades were fitted to wrongkos that were already made , not old, pre-used wrongkos, but wrongkos that were held ready by a market tukang who fitted the blade while the customer waited. I have seen many old Javanese blades in such wrongkos, and the fitting is often far from perfect.I can only assume that similar market practices existed in other places than Jawa.

Yes, maybe this wrongko is not original to the blade, but from what I have so far seen in these pics, I could not say one way or the other--- put it this way:- I would not gamble money on being certain about one thing or the other.

Alam Shah · 21st March 2008, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

I agree with Alam Shah. The scabbard wasn't made for this blade.
Nice keris with gondjo iras.

Won't burn my fingers either by guessing the age of a keris blade. Unless the blade has some characteristics to make a careful guess. Even then it will remain a guess.

Hi Henk,
Yes, the fingers won't burn... but I not prepared to give a supportable opinion.

asomotif · 18th April 2008, 01:23 PM

How is it now with a Toli Toli ?

best regards,
Willem

Alam Shah · 19th April 2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

How is it now with a Toli Toli ?

Looks nice to me.

VVV · 19th April 2008, 10:43 AM

Great job!!!

Michael

Newsteel · 20th April 2008, 02:50 AM

Nice, good choice of string used in fact.

kerisbiz · 4th July 2016, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Lucky lucky lucky me.

I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing.

Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ?

The same mendak with my keris

kerisbiz · 11th August 2016, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Lucky lucky lucky me.

I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing.

Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ?

I had keris like this, and it came from Makassar. Model keris makassar did glance similar to the model Mataram (Mata Rantai Makassar) and Sumatra. Because in antiquity, they cooperate in various fields. So often we see similarities in models of weapons including the keris. To discern that your keris from Sulawesi is very easy to see the material. And I saw the material is still used iron from LUWU South Sulawesi.

asomotif · 24th August 2016, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kerisbiz

The same mendak with my keris

Probably exactly the same as I sold mine over a year ago to a dutch trader.
The toli toli on your example is looking familiar too. This type comes from the north east of the Netherlands.

Rick · 24th August 2016, 03:43 AM

Willem, would you please upload these images to the site.
They become part of the archive that way.
Thanks.

kerisbiz · 2nd September 2016, 12:47 PM

I found some keris that has the same characteristics come from the islands like Selayar and Makassar. To determine the authenticity of the keris from Sulawesi that you can pay attention to the material that is in use, and in my opinion that your keris comes from water areas such as Makassar and Selayar or include original keris Bugis.

You can pay attention to all three of these characteristics, the chain model mendak, handles and timpo are the same. And a handle shaped dowels (Takala) are mostly found in areas near the coast such as Sumbawa, Makassar and Selayar :

18th March 2008, 09:44 AM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	BUGIS KERIS 9 LUK for comments or fun Lucky lucky lucky me. I found myself a huge buginese keris for sharing. Pamor looks Raja abal raja to me, any comments ? Attached Images

18th March 2008, 11:44 AM	#2
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Niiiice blade Wilhem I agree with you Raja abala raja luk 9. after I look at your blade, i try to look at this 4 of blades and my feeling was zero hhhmm....where in east of lombok to find old blade like yours YOU REALY LUCKY WILHEM. bre. Attached Images

20th March 2008, 02:09 PM	#10
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	The additional pictures, still far from perfect Attached Images

18th April 2008, 01:23 PM	#17
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Toli Toli How is it now with a Toli Toli ? best regards, Willem Attached Images

24th August 2016, 03:43 AM	#24
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,294	Nice Pictures! Willem, would you please upload these images to the site. They become part of the archive that way. Thanks.

18th March 2008, 06:48 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Thanks for the info. I was not sure about the fit of the blade myself. But the total of the blade the nice massive selut and the old ukiran made me buy it anyway. Here these old keris are also getting difficult to find. Best regards, Willem Ps. any suggestions on how a toli toli shoud look on this keris ?

19th March 2008, 04:12 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,898	You know. I've looked a few times at that blade in the wrongko. To me, it looks OK. Yeah, the curve of the top of the wrongko and the curve of the gonjo are different, but the buntut urang and the sirah cecak are mated to the line of the wood; yeah, there seems to be a bit of sloppiness around the edge of the gonjo, but you get this anyway with an old original wrongko. From what I can see---only from what I can see-- I would not be prepared to say this wrongko was not original to the blade.

19th March 2008, 06:06 AM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Willem, If it's not too much to ask, could you post 2 pictures. 1) A close-up of the base of the blade, (sample). 2) A close-up of the sheath where the blade rest in its sheath, (sample). Thanks, Shah

19th March 2008, 02:43 PM	#8
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Dear Shah, Thank you for the toli toli instructions. I will try to find a nice modest cord somewhere. I will make some better pictures of blade and the fit in the scabbard too. Best regards, Willem

20th March 2008, 03:34 AM	#9
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	The blade is good and the greneng are still in good shape. Scabbard may not be original but it is old, probably the initial owner replaced it due to damage and well lasted until it got to your hands.

20th March 2008, 04:39 PM	#12
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Dear Alam, Do you have any idea on the age of this blade ?

20th March 2008, 09:18 PM	#14
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I agree with Alam Shah. The scabbard wasn't made for this blade. Nice keris with gondjo iras. Won't burn my fingers either by guessing the age of a keris blade. Unless the blade has some characteristics to make a careful guess. Even then it will remain a guess.

21st March 2008, 12:41 AM	#15
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,898	Maybe this wrongko was not original to the blade, but quite frankly, I still cannot see sufficient to allow me to say one way or the other. Yes, I can see the opening in front of the sirah cecak, but the kembang kacang projects beyond the sirah cecak; yes I can see the amount that the top of the gonjo sits above the curve of the wrongko, but the gonjo is abnormally straight, yes, I can see that the buntut urang sits proud of the wood, but I can also see that this is a large and substantial blade, and the joint of the gambar to gandar has not been reset. It is also a fact of life that not all keris blades had their wrongkos made by master craftsmen who invariably achieved a perfect fit of blade to wood. Many old blades were fitted to wrongkos that were already made , not old, pre-used wrongkos, but wrongkos that were held ready by a market tukang who fitted the blade while the customer waited. I have seen many old Javanese blades in such wrongkos, and the fitting is often far from perfect.I can only assume that similar market practices existed in other places than Jawa. Yes, maybe this wrongko is not original to the blade, but from what I have so far seen in these pics, I could not say one way or the other--- put it this way:- I would not gamble money on being certain about one thing or the other.

19th April 2008, 10:43 AM	#19
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Great job!!! Michael

20th April 2008, 02:50 AM	#20
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Nice, good choice of string used in fact.

2nd September 2016, 12:47 PM	#25
kerisbiz Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15	I found some keris that has the same characteristics come from the islands like Selayar and Makassar. To determine the authenticity of the keris from Sulawesi that you can pay attention to the material that is in use, and in my opinion that your keris comes from water areas such as Makassar and Selayar or include original keris Bugis. You can pay attention to all three of these characteristics, the chain model mendak, handles and timpo are the same. And a handle shaped dowels (Takala) are mostly found in areas near the coast such as Sumbawa, Makassar and Selayar :