Names of Borneo swords and daggers

VVV · 18th March 2013, 03:05 PM

It was great to meet so many of you in Baltimore this Saturday.
Some of you asked for handouts, which I never made, but here is a short summary of the "non-mandau-blades" I talked about:

Banjarmasin/Negara (Malay): keris, jumbia, sadup (the straight dagger), Banjar parang, candong, beladah belabang ("ex-parang nabur") and pedang jenawi besar (the large straight sword").
Some of the characteristic features: gold, diamonds, dragon's blood (red), floral motifs and rosettes, bird hilts, djadwal ("magic squares"), exoticism and show off.
Outside Banjarmasin (Ngaju Dayak): duhung (spear dagger), ilum (= sadup), dua matu bayu (double edged sword), parang negara (flat "mandau" with floral motifs).

NW Borneo (Land Dayak, Malay, Melanau): latok/buko, latok sadap, pandat, pedang/senankas.
NW Borneo (Iban): parang nabur ("the real one"), langgai tinggang, jimpul, tilan kemarau, duku/pedang.
NW Borneo (Dusun): gayang (flat blade), duku/pedang ("piso podang").
NW Borneo (Murut): parapat ("ex-pakayun"), gayang.
NW Borneo (Brunei Malay & Kadayan): klewang ("ex-sangkit"), pedang/senankas, pedang, keris, kris.

And then the mandau also shows up here and there, too.

Michael

Ferguson · 19th March 2013, 09:48 AM

Michael,
Thank you again for the excellent presentation you made to us at Timonium. Fascinating!
Steve

CharlesS · 19th March 2013, 08:32 PM

I really enjoyed it Michael. Great presentation...and thanks again!

RSWORD · 20th March 2013, 12:52 AM

It was great to see a good crowd at the forum gathering and Michael and also Jeff Pringle did a great job with their presentations. Kudos to you gentlemen!

VANDOO · 20th March 2013, 01:56 AM

BOTH PRESENTATIONS WERE VERY INTERESTING AND GOOD. THE INFORMATION ON THE BORNEO WEAPONS WAS NEW TO ME AND THERE WAS A GOOD SELECTION OF EXAMPLES TO HANDLE. A VERY INTERESTING PRESENTATION THAT BROUGHT FORWARD A FEW NEW THEORYS ON THE EVOLUTION OF BORNEO SWORDS.
THE WORK DONE ON LEE'S VIKING SWORD AND THE EXPLANATION OF HOW IT WAS DONE WAS INTERESTING. IT SHOWED WHAT THE SWORD WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE ORIGINALLY AND WHAT HAPPENS DUE TO CORROSION IN ITS NATURAL STATE ALL ON ONE INTERESTING SWORD. AS USUAL GOOD COMPANY, PRESENTATIONS AND LOTS OF POINTY THINGS AT THE DINNER, THE ARMS SHOW AND AUCTION. A GOOD TIME WAS HAD BY ALL!

MY THANKS TO ARTZI (ORIENTAL ARMS) AND LEE AND THE PRESENTERS FOR MAKEING IT ALL POSSIBLE.

Lee · 21st March 2013, 10:37 AM

Michael, thank you very much for making some sense of these cultures and their edged artifacts. Most enjoyable and informative.

DaveA · 28th April 2013, 04:40 PM

With Michael's excellent taxonomy of the Borneo swords, it would valuable to have representative photos in this thread for those of us who were not able to attend his lecture and see examples first hand.

Any volunteers willing to post photos of the sword types that Michael discussed?

Or links to photos?

Best Regards,

Dave A

carlos · 8th May 2013, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveA

With Michael's excellent taxonomy of the Borneo swords, it would valuable to have representative photos in this thread for those of us who were not able to attend his lecture and see examples first hand.

Any volunteers willing to post photos of the sword types that Michael discussed?

Or links to photos?

Best Regards,

Dave A

Any news about this ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Carlos

Cakszz · 14th July 2013, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Outside Banjarmasin (Ngaju Dayak): duhung (spear dagger), ilum (= sadup), dua matu bayu (double edged sword), parang negara (flat "mandau" with floral motifs).

Michael

as I am ngaju.. I only know.. duhung/dohong, ambang, pisau lantik/ parang bungkul, ladok, keris, mandau..

sadop/sadup is not ngaju but it belongs to Dayak Paser...

I never heard dua matu bayu.. its definitely not ngaju language..

do you have any literature of picture about this "dua matu bayu"?

Gavin Nugent · 21st August 2013, 02:25 PM

A bump to the top...as previously asked above, is there photos of the presentation?

Gavin

VVV · 21st August 2013, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cakszz

(snip)... I never heard dua matu bayu.. its definitely not ngaju language..

do you have any literature of picture about this "dua matu bayu"?

Sorry I first saw your post now.

As I explained on the seminar dua mata bayu is not from any dayak language but is Indonesian. It roughly means two eyed wind, i.e. a sword that can cut from both sides (being double edged).

Michael

PS Gavin, I think all of the mentioned blades can be found if you do a search on this forum. My presentation was VERY heavy in size with all the pictures...

Gavin Nugent · 21st August 2013, 11:56 PM

Thank you Michael,

I have reviewed many of your posts recently...I thought there might be some more items not yet seen or discussed.

Gavin

VVV · 22nd August 2013, 07:23 AM

Gavin,

Please check and if there is something I haven't posted let me know?
If you find something I will attach a picture of it on this thread.

Michael

Gavin Nugent · 22nd August 2013, 09:18 AM

Hi Michael.

Your most recent email answers all my questions.

With thanks

Gavin

18th March 2013, 03:05 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Names of Borneo swords and daggers It was great to meet so many of you in Baltimore this Saturday. Some of you asked for handouts, which I never made, but here is a short summary of the "non-mandau-blades" I talked about: Banjarmasin/Negara (Malay): keris, jumbia, sadup (the straight dagger), Banjar parang, candong, beladah belabang ("ex-parang nabur") and pedang jenawi besar (the large straight sword"). Some of the characteristic features: gold, diamonds, dragon's blood (red), floral motifs and rosettes, bird hilts, djadwal ("magic squares"), exoticism and show off. Outside Banjarmasin (Ngaju Dayak): duhung (spear dagger), ilum (= sadup), dua matu bayu (double edged sword), parang negara (flat "mandau" with floral motifs). NW Borneo (Land Dayak, Malay, Melanau): latok/buko, latok sadap, pandat, pedang/senankas. NW Borneo (Iban): parang nabur ("the real one"), langgai tinggang, jimpul, tilan kemarau, duku/pedang. NW Borneo (Dusun): gayang (flat blade), duku/pedang ("piso podang"). NW Borneo (Murut): parapat ("ex-pakayun"), gayang. NW Borneo (Brunei Malay & Kadayan): klewang ("ex-sangkit"), pedang/senankas, pedang, keris, kris. And then the mandau also shows up here and there, too. Michael

21st March 2013, 10:37 AM	#6
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 914	A concept starts to come together Michael, thank you very much for making some sense of these cultures and their edged artifacts. Most enjoyable and informative.

28th April 2013, 04:40 PM	#7
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 413	Photos of Borneo "non-Mandau" swords? With Michael's excellent taxonomy of the Borneo swords, it would valuable to have representative photos in this thread for those of us who were not able to attend his lecture and see examples first hand. Any volunteers willing to post photos of the sword types that Michael discussed? Or links to photos? Best Regards, Dave A

19th March 2013, 09:48 AM	#2
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Michael, Thank you again for the excellent presentation you made to us at Timonium. Fascinating! Steve

19th March 2013, 08:32 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	I really enjoyed it Michael. Great presentation...and thanks again!

20th March 2013, 12:52 AM	#4
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,084	It was great to see a good crowd at the forum gathering and Michael and also Jeff Pringle did a great job with their presentations. Kudos to you gentlemen!

20th March 2013, 01:56 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	BOTH PRESENTATIONS WERE VERY INTERESTING AND GOOD. THE INFORMATION ON THE BORNEO WEAPONS WAS NEW TO ME AND THERE WAS A GOOD SELECTION OF EXAMPLES TO HANDLE. A VERY INTERESTING PRESENTATION THAT BROUGHT FORWARD A FEW NEW THEORYS ON THE EVOLUTION OF BORNEO SWORDS. THE WORK DONE ON LEE'S VIKING SWORD AND THE EXPLANATION OF HOW IT WAS DONE WAS INTERESTING. IT SHOWED WHAT THE SWORD WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE ORIGINALLY AND WHAT HAPPENS DUE TO CORROSION IN ITS NATURAL STATE ALL ON ONE INTERESTING SWORD. AS USUAL GOOD COMPANY, PRESENTATIONS AND LOTS OF POINTY THINGS AT THE DINNER, THE ARMS SHOW AND AUCTION. A GOOD TIME WAS HAD BY ALL! MY THANKS TO ARTZI (ORIENTAL ARMS) AND LEE AND THE PRESENTERS FOR MAKEING IT ALL POSSIBLE.

21st August 2013, 02:25 PM	#10
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	A bump to the top...as previously asked above, is there photos of the presentation? Gavin

21st August 2013, 11:56 PM	#12
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you Michael, I have reviewed many of your posts recently...I thought there might be some more items not yet seen or discussed. Gavin

22nd August 2013, 07:23 AM	#13
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Gavin, Please check and if there is something I haven't posted let me know? If you find something I will attach a picture of it on this thread. Michael

22nd August 2013, 09:18 AM	#14
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hi Michael. Your most recent email answers all my questions. With thanks Gavin