Strange axe/hatchet

Evgeny_K · 4th June 2013, 08:13 AM

Gents,
I'll be very appreciate for your any thoughts about origin of this axe/hatchet.
It was found at the War of 1812 battlefield in Russia, near of a several musket balls. It looks like hatchet for civil use for me. Am I right?

VANDOO · 5th June 2013, 12:23 AM

I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE AX BUT THOSE WHO DO WILL NEED MORE INFORMATION. SIZE, HOW IT IS SHAFTED , FROM THE ONE PICTURE IT RAISES MORE QUESTIONS THAN IT GIVES ANSWERS TO THOSE WHO CAN HELP YOU. GOOD LUCK

Evgeny_K · 5th June 2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE AX BUT THOSE WHO DO WILL NEED MORE INFORMATION. SIZE, HOW IT IS SHAFTED , FROM THE ONE PICTURE IT RAISES MORE QUESTIONS THAN IT GIVES ANSWERS TO THOSE WHO CAN HELP YOU. GOOD LUCK

you're right, I'll make a better pics in short

M ELEY · 6th June 2013, 04:00 AM

The blunt end resembles a hammer, which is either a good thing or a bad thing! My point being, there were hammer pole axes from the colonial periods, ca. 1780's up to the modern era. The French fur trade axes and rifleman's axes ca 1790-1850 come to mind. The problem is that this ax form (hammer end) could date all the way up to the 1930's. More pics, lenth, pic of the 'eye', all might help. Bearded axes (ones with curved edges) typically dated earlier and flat edged blades such as this one would typically date post-1800 up to the 20th c. Typically, early hammer type pole axes didn't have the 'mushroom' type seen on this axe, which was more of a mid-19th and later afectation.

Dmitry · 6th June 2013, 03:10 PM

It's a pipe tomahawk. Which supports my theory that a tribe of Comanche Indians was fighting with Napoleon against the Russians.

broadaxe · 6th June 2013, 05:20 PM

It appears to be a 20th century Russian domestic meat axe. Check the place where the blade gets suddenly thick - it was common to make those from two separate pieces: flat blade inserted into a turned steel body via a slot and riveted in place. I believe such axes are still being made in small workshops, they were also quite popular as 'gulag work', highly embellished.

Evgeny_K · 7th June 2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by broadaxe

It appears to be a 20th century Russian domestic meat axe. Check the place where the blade gets suddenly thick - it was common to make those from two separate pieces: flat blade inserted into a turned steel body via a slot and riveted in place. I believe such axes are still being made in small workshops, they were also quite popular as 'gulag work', highly embellished.

I am agree - it looks like meat axe

Evgeny_K · 7th June 2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

It's a pipe tomahawk. Which supports my theory that a tribe of Comanche Indians was fighting with Napoleon against the Russians.

nice joke, Dmitry

M ELEY · 8th June 2013, 01:20 AM

Yes, Dmitry,very amusing! Everyone knows it was really the Apache that rode with Napolean...

4th June 2013, 08:13 AM	#1
Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	Strange axe/hatchet Gents, I'll be very appreciate for your any thoughts about origin of this axe/hatchet. It was found at the War of 1812 battlefield in Russia, near of a several musket balls. It looks like hatchet for civil use for me. Am I right? Attached Images

5th June 2013, 12:23 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE AX BUT THOSE WHO DO WILL NEED MORE INFORMATION. SIZE, HOW IT IS SHAFTED , FROM THE ONE PICTURE IT RAISES MORE QUESTIONS THAN IT GIVES ANSWERS TO THOSE WHO CAN HELP YOU. GOOD LUCK

6th June 2013, 04:00 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,094	The blunt end resembles a hammer, which is either a good thing or a bad thing! My point being, there were hammer pole axes from the colonial periods, ca. 1780's up to the modern era. The French fur trade axes and rifleman's axes ca 1790-1850 come to mind. The problem is that this ax form (hammer end) could date all the way up to the 1930's. More pics, lenth, pic of the 'eye', all might help. Bearded axes (ones with curved edges) typically dated earlier and flat edged blades such as this one would typically date post-1800 up to the 20th c. Typically, early hammer type pole axes didn't have the 'mushroom' type seen on this axe, which was more of a mid-19th and later afectation.

6th June 2013, 03:10 PM	#5
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	It's a pipe tomahawk. Which supports my theory that a tribe of Comanche Indians was fighting with Napoleon against the Russians.

6th June 2013, 05:20 PM	#6
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 332	It appears to be a 20th century Russian domestic meat axe. Check the place where the blade gets suddenly thick - it was common to make those from two separate pieces: flat blade inserted into a turned steel body via a slot and riveted in place. I believe such axes are still being made in small workshops, they were also quite popular as 'gulag work', highly embellished.

8th June 2013, 01:20 AM	#9
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,094	Yes, Dmitry,very amusing! Everyone knows it was really the Apache that rode with Napolean...