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G'day
![]() I thought some members may be interested in this piece. Cheers, Daniel |
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Congratulations !
You have one of the rarest forms of Panabas . ![]() |
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Very nice and a strong raw weapon Scratch, congrats on a great find!!!
The twist rattan wrap pictured, does it denote anything in particular? Quote:
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Funny, the curve in the spine seems purpose made .
![]() Those marks on the spine are from use; not decoration, correct ? |
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never seen one of those, great find scratch!
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The blade's curve could be intended to keep the hand away from the work---as with the handle of a broad ax (also with a beveled edge) used for hewing timber.
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Rick or scratch,
Could you elaborate on the "rarest" comment. I'm unfamiliar with any panabas in this profile? Dan |
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Hi Dan, My Cato book is on loan at the moment but he notes this form in his book, someone should be able to site the images and passage in the book. Gav |
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Lovely piece!
The bend in the blade does not look intentional, but rather a result of use, just like the scars on the spine that come from hammering- as you might when using this to split wood. I'm sure the first owner more than once straightened the blade under his foot. This doesn't come across as a hewing tool. ![]() |
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I'd be interested in knowing more of the measurements too. Gav |
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Object Name: AxThe panabas below as described above also appeared in this thread. |
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Nice example but IMO this is more a Agricultural tool for field work of food preparation and not a true panabas
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Hi Lew, I could agree with you .
The only thing that puts me off the tool idea is the blade profile; it looks inefficient for field work . ![]() We can see the abuse the spine has suffered so I'm sure it was used as a tool at some point . On the other hand; for melee combat it would make a great slashing chopper; not to mention that point . ![]() |
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I really don't think this is a melee weapon the blade is quite thin and it does not much of a reach. The damage to the spine is from batoning probably used it to pound the blade through rattan or some other woody/fiberous material. I can just see the face on the owner on this piece when he confronts another Moro warrior charging at him with a long kris or kampilan. ![]() |
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G'day
![]() I hope this piece continues to generate discussion. Thank you to all for their communication and contribution. It would do this piece and its maker a disservice to consider it as tool primarily,I think, although it certainly could have been used as such. Not to imply that an agricultural tool is any less valid of course. Perhaps this piece and other weapons also have their origin in agrarian function? What parameters does one use to establish whether this a "true" panabas? In the hands of a Moro warrior committed to death it would be a formidable weapon I think. Measures Overall lenght:25 in. Blade length: 12 1/4 in. Weight: 2 lb 7 oz. To my eye Handle is made of bamboo root like good kachin daos. The double beveled edge creates a thickness at cut zone as "thin" as many of my kukris and thicker than my barong example. Blade has lateral strength to pry floorboards open/wider without taking a set as suggested. I believe the curve to be forged. I t does not flex easily. I would not subject my barong to this level of stress. Dings in spine could have come through forceful blows against stationary metal object,I think, or forged purposefully? I tend to agree with Rick that abuse of some kind is likely. Maurice and Migueldiaz, Thank you for your references as I can find little else published on these items. Regarding rattan knot am I correct in thinking that mandaus have similiar? Best regards to all, Daniel |
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Panabas were originally used as axes and for chopping wood and was put into use as a weapon in a pinch. I have seen photos of Moros carrying kampilans,barungs and kris and the only photo of a panabas I have seen was used to lop off heads for executions. Lew |
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To those learned gents on Moro Panabas, does the curved notch cut outs top and bottom at the forte indicated a true panabas as I have seen this notching on other high end panabas???
The length is very capable looking at it, longer than a Katchin Dao and nearly as long as a Kora...I'd like to hear more. Gav Last edited by freebooter; 14th August 2009 at 10:18 AM. |
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I wish that I could claim to be the new owner of this exceptional piece and even though I cannot, I felt the need to resurrect this older thread to add these photos to our archives of this rare form of panabas. I am hoping that it was one of our forum members who has given this beautiful piece a new home and that after it has arrived and they have had the chance to give it a bit of TLC they will post more information as well as better quality photos showing the details much better than these auction photos do. My congratulations to whoever it might be that has had the good fortune to have won this beautiful piece.
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So you beat me out on this!.............I mean...............er.............great panabas!
And this looks like it belonged to a well respected/higher status warrior! Congratulations! |
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Um........right.........I missed that............
Anyway, I noticed the silver okir inlays into the blade and the bronze okir bands - not seen these in your usual panabas. I was hoping to make the end cap/ring if I got it. ![]() |
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