keris information asked

[auk]

Hello to you all and greetings from cold holland

I have a keris that was passing on from my father.
He get it from the neigbours about thirty years ago.

It was full of rust now almost cleaned it and almost all of the rust is gone.
It took me weeks to remove the rust just wit a little tiny brush and some lemmons.my
There is a litle naga on it and under the rust now comes just some little trace of gold plated material on the keris.
Also there is a little golden ball in the mouth of the naga.
Also wat i know is that there is in the waranga a laughing man with a hat on is head and in the hat is a stone.
now you cant see it with your bare eye but when you lay a rice paper on it and gently draw with a pencil over it it apears and you can see him.
Can some one tels me wat it means.
i realy hope some one can give me more information about it, age type ,etcetra.
much greetings Auk

[David]

Welcome Auk. Can't tell you much of anything without good, detailed photos.

[Henk]

Welcome to the forum, Auk.

The weather is reasonable at the moment here.

Just like David said, with some good and detailed pictures we can tell you a lot more.

[auk]

[auk]

[auk]

thanks fore the reply i am trying to add some photo,
greetings Auk

[Rick]

Hi Auk, I have passed your posts but the links are broken to the hosting site .

Perhaps your hosting site does not allow hot-linking .

[auk]

[auk]

Hello i got some problem by uploading the photo,s
sorry fore that.
I hope this wil work else i wil try to make better photo,s
now by cleaning it i see under the dirt just some little rests of gold on the naga and under it but verry verry little the ball in his mouth is stil ok.
further you can see on the pic but verry little shinty things in the blade.
hope you can help me with information.
Greetings Auk

[Alam Shah]

Welcome auk to the forum,

A nice Javanese keris in Yogyakarta dress.
An elegant blade with what seems to be dapur Naga Siluman, Luk 5.

A close-up picture at the base of the blade would be nice.

[Henk]

Auk,

Be careful with further cleaning the blade.

The little shiny things on the blade is what we call pamor. A keris blade is usually made from iron and nickle contenting iron. The bars of metal are twisted and forged. After finishing the keris it is etched with warangan. Warangan is lemon juice with arsenic. The etching with warangan colors the iron black or grey (depending on the sort of iron that is used) and leaves the nickle untouched. The pattern on the blade that shows up is called pamor.

As far as I can see on your picture you have a pamor wengkon. For the pamor inside the wengkon the picture is not clear enough.
It is a javanese keris from Yogyakarta. Dapur Naga Seluman 5 luk.
The naga head was gilded as you noticed remains of gold on the head of the naga and around it.
The golden ball in the mouth is also seen in the mouth of the Singha or Barong.
The sheath has the wrongko Gayaman and the gandar is covered with a pendok. Is it silver?

[auk]

thanks fore the information till now
the rust i am cleaning is with a verry tiny soft brush it take me hours till now days before the rust is gone .
the penok is not silver my guess it dont belong on it but i dont know fore sure.
it fits perfect in the sheat.
i wil try to make some more photo,s and better from the blade.
And wat about the story i told about the face in the wood.
i know in his how you call it tulband or javanese cap is a stone and he is laughing.
last week i had a dream and remeber the word bandung there was a man that told me to write down some words in indonesian but i cant remember it just bandung.
hope to get more informatin and i wil make better pics.
greetings Auk

[auk]

i cant get the photo more bright i do my best
and also the blade stays this dark
greetings Auk

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by auk

...last week i had a dream and remember the word bandung there was a man that told me to write down some words in indonesian but i cant remember it just bandung.

The only "bandung" I know -- in relation to keris -- is pamor "sumur bandung". Oval rings of pamor (blank or black in the center of the oval rings), from sor-soran (base) to top of the blade. But I don't think that your keris has sumur bandung pamor.

From the form of sogokan, the "garap" (work) of the other details, and also the overall appearance, I assume (speculative, not possible to make sure only based on photos...) that this is not a recent keris.

Good Naga Siluman luk 5 (there are Naga Siluman luk 7, 9 and 11 too with the similar "ricikan" but different numbers of luks). With "kelap lintah" (double curves) ganja, and "lazy" luks -- javanese call this kind of luks, as "luk kemba" for the contrary of "luk rengkol" -- more wavy luks. The keris has good jogjanese hilt too, and also very good old gayaman warangka. But I think, you need to replace the "banyumas" style (West-central Java) pendhok with Jogjanese pendhok. It would look much much more attractive...