Caucasian or Arabian sword?

ariel · 8th September 2006, 06:06 PM

Just ended and I was outbid... Dang!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300023399225

My fantasy was that this sword was not Arabian, as advertised, but Caucasian (Georgian or Daghestani). Reasons: silver handle narrowing towards the pommel, vegetal decorations on the crossguard, some figurative decoration on the tip of the pommel.
The blade is likely European (German? Can't see well) and likely shortened.
So, boys and girls, what do you think? Should I drown my sorrows in a very big bottle of Armenian brandy or rejoyce that I did not waste my money?
Ham, Ward and Rivkin (the Texas boy!) to the rescue!

Valjhun · 8th September 2006, 08:23 PM

Sharing your sorrow.

I was outbid to.

It seems a nice example fo wich your theory seems plausible, but I should ask if it is not one of thoose persian naval nimchas (Tirri, page 58)

S.Al-Anizi · 8th September 2006, 08:27 PM

Cant really tell you what it is but it certainly isnt arabian.

Rivkin · 8th September 2006, 08:45 PM

Well, I am a very narrow specialist, so I see caucasian things everywhere I look

. I would say that the guard has interesting floral motiff, probably persian(?) inspired that was quite popular in Georgia, but I guess can just as well be found in other countries that bourdered Persia (arabia). But I don't know, some gut feeling tells me it is not Arabia, and not Dagestan/Georgia, but something in between, I would strongly suspect may be Azerbaijan or something Ottoman(?).

P.S. Did you try to apply the new "dressed to kill" theory ? I mean, you should not have any problems "to sundry unsolved problems in weapons research" with it.

ariel · 8th September 2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rivkin

Well, I am a very narrow specialist, so I see caucasian things everywhere I look

. I would say that the guard has interesting floral motiff, probably persian(?) inspired that was quite popular in Georgia, but I guess can just as well be found in other countries that bourdered Persia (arabia). But I don't know, some gut feeling tells me it is not Arabia, and not Dagestan/Georgia, but something in between, I would strongly suspect may be Azerbaijan or something Ottoman(?).

P.S. Did you try to apply the new "dressed to kill" theory ? I mean, you should not have any problems "to sundry unsolved problems in weapons research" with it.

Thanks for some degree of relief!...
As to the new theory....No, I did not, but some of my patients applied it generously and liberally and told me that "Preparation H" was better.

Ian · 8th September 2006, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

No, I did not, but some of my patients applied it generously and liberally and told me that "Preparation H" was better.

LOL ... quote of the week to you, Ariel.

Ian · 8th September 2006, 09:51 PM

The blade of this sword reminds me a lot of the 1796 British Light Cavalry Sabre, or one of its many imitations. The last few inches have obviously been reworked and shortened.

Ian.

Picture of 1796 British Light Cavalry Sabre

Also another example of the pattern here: http://www.antiqueswords.com/blcs14.htm

8th September 2006, 06:06 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Caucasian or Arabian sword? Just ended and I was outbid... Dang!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300023399225 My fantasy was that this sword was not Arabian, as advertised, but Caucasian (Georgian or Daghestani). Reasons: silver handle narrowing towards the pommel, vegetal decorations on the crossguard, some figurative decoration on the tip of the pommel. The blade is likely European (German? Can't see well) and likely shortened. So, boys and girls, what do you think? Should I drown my sorrows in a very big bottle of Armenian brandy or rejoyce that I did not waste my money? Ham, Ward and Rivkin (the Texas boy!) to the rescue!

8th September 2006, 09:51 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,255	On a more serious note ... The blade of this sword reminds me a lot of the 1796 British Light Cavalry Sabre, or one of its many imitations. The last few inches have obviously been reworked and shortened. Ian. Picture of 1796 British Light Cavalry Sabre Also another example of the pattern here: http://www.antiqueswords.com/blcs14.htm Last edited by Ian; 8th September 2006 at 10:44 PM. Reason: added picture and link

8th September 2006, 08:23 PM	#2
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Sharing your sorrow. I was outbid to. It seems a nice example fo wich your theory seems plausible, but I should ask if it is not one of thoose persian naval nimchas (Tirri, page 58)

8th September 2006, 08:27 PM	#3
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Cant really tell you what it is but it certainly isnt arabian.

8th September 2006, 08:45 PM	#4
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Well, I am a very narrow specialist, so I see caucasian things everywhere I look . I would say that the guard has interesting floral motiff, probably persian(?) inspired that was quite popular in Georgia, but I guess can just as well be found in other countries that bourdered Persia (arabia). But I don't know, some gut feeling tells me it is not Arabia, and not Dagestan/Georgia, but something in between, I would strongly suspect may be Azerbaijan or something Ottoman(?). P.S. Did you try to apply the new "dressed to kill" theory ? I mean, you should not have any problems "to sundry unsolved problems in weapons research" with it.