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This recently finished on eBay, not so certain that this would be very functional ...... duel purpose knobkerrie with spear end ?? I wondered what others thought and whether there are other examples ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=007 Regards David |
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I put a low bid on that one but decided not to go for it. It seems more a status piece than a functional weapon to me.
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I'm inclined to agree....either that or a 'fantasy' piece. The spear head would be a hinderance if used as a club, possibly causing harm to the user. The weighted end of the knobkerrie would probably 'unbalance' its handling as a stabbing spear. ![]() Regards David |
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I had kept my eye on this piece...and agree that it probably is a made-up object, as it would not really work as a practical weapon. Possibly made-up sometime after the Battle of Omdurman (1898) for sale to the many British soldiers and administrators that would be then in the Sudan. There would of course have been lots of native weapons and bits of weapons around.
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It is a status / ceremonial piece, but not made up. The oldest dated I have seen was from the 1860's, but I have seen some I would say is earlier. They can have a sharp spearbutt protruding from the club, and coins attached to the head. Been a couple on Ebay during the years.
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Hi Tribalarms,
thanks for your input. Would you have any pictures of this type of ceremonial piece? Do you know whether this particular example is Dinka? Regards David |
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Anything like this one? No knobkerrie end though.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1872 Lew |
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Very nice Lew
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I think it is really nice and a practical weapon. If my PC was working and I had some money it would now be mine but you cannot win them all. The spiked knobkerrie is a south Sudan weapon. I need one
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![]() I think that a 'spike' instead of the spearhead would make this a practical weapon. The spike would not interfere with the grip whilst holding the knobkerrie in 'club mode'. The spearhead, on the other hand, would cause problems in holding it, the 'deft' wrist movements used in attack/defence with a knobkerrie is likely to injure/cut the users forearm as the spearhead is 'cumbersome' , wide and appears once sharpened along its edges. Thats without the imbalance caused by its weight. Regards David |
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Looking at this piece again... it seems to be assembled from three separate sources. A probably Shilluk, wooden "mushroom" club, a Baggara spearhead and a croc skin and leather combined handle and loop, of the type to be found on Mahdist maces and those Mahdist pseudo-throwing knives.
It is correct that those mushroom clubs occasionally have spear-butt type ends, they are of a similar construction to those found on Shilluk and Dinka spears (and other tribes in Southern Sudan). I have read somewhere (forget exactly where) that these clubs were sometimes stuck into the ground and used as stools. The handle/loop on this object would be useless as a practical grip, as the spear edge would cut the bearer's hand or wrist. Some references would be - Christopher Spring's book on African Weapons, Peter Westerdyjk's study on throwing knives and the Pitt-Rivers Museum Southern Sudan website. Louisblade's pictured weapon looks like a fine quality Somali spearhead. Regards and apologies for the extended waffle.... |
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No need to label it as assembled just as it looks impractical. It may still send out the right message to the initiated.
The spiked "spearbutt" mentioned would be protruding from the clubhead. The blade is still present. I know of several, although it is a very rare weapon. |
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