Kris with silver inlaid blade

kino · 30th January 2011, 06:47 PM

A very nice Kris that's in the custody of Lonna and Dave.

DaveS · 30th January 2011, 10:31 PM

Very surprised that every single bit of inlay is Intact. Nothing missing.
Also the ivory hilt looks a lot like a miniature jungayyan. Never seen one with
characteristics of both danganan and jungayyan. What do you think....Dave.

VANDOO · 31st January 2011, 03:28 AM

A VERY ATTRACTIVE KRIS

IT HAS A LOT MORE INLAY THAN I HAVE SEEN ON A KRIS BLADE THE ONLY OTHER BLADES WITH LOTS OF INLAY OF THAT SORT ARE ON SWORDS FROM BORNEO. I WONDER IF THE MAKER WAS INFLUENCED BY WEAPONS FROM BORNEO? THE IVORY IS INTERESTING I CAN'T TELL IF IT IS ELEPHANT OR VERY LARGE WHALE OR HIPPO. MOST LIKELY ELEPHANT BUT ITS POSSIBLE IT COULD BE ONE OF THE OTHER TWO.

Battara · 31st January 2011, 03:29 AM

I agree Dave it is any unusual type of pommel.

All the silver dots are intact though I am a little surprised that the other engravings were not filled in with inlay also. Style preferences I suppose.

Thanks Kino for posting these nice pieces from Dave and Lona. Great research.

DaveS · 31st January 2011, 04:59 AM

The smaller size of the blade seems to indicate a sulu piece, but the handle
looks like it has some Mindanao characteristics. I can't quite exactly place
this one...........Dave.

DaveS · 31st January 2011, 05:04 AM

Jose: I was a little surprised too, that they would bother to cut all those
grooves and not fill them in. Probably couldn't afford any more silver.... Dave

DaveS · 31st January 2011, 05:10 AM

Jose: Yes, it is surprising that they would go the trouble to cut all those
grooves and then not to fill them in. Probably couldn't afford any more
silver.......Dave.

DaveS · 31st January 2011, 05:11 AM

Sorry, double post....Dave

Sajen · 31st January 2011, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

A VERY ATTRACTIVE KRIS

IT HAS A LOT MORE INLAY THAN I HAVE SEEN ON A KRIS BLADE THE ONLY OTHER BLADES WITH LOTS OF INLAY OF THAT SORT ARE ON SWORDS FROM BORNEO. I WONDER IF THE MAKER WAS INFLUENCED BY WEAPONS FROM BORNEO? THE IVORY IS INTERESTING I CAN'T TELL IF IT IS ELEPHANT OR VERY LARGE WHALE OR HIPPO. MOST LIKELY ELEPHANT BUT ITS POSSIBLE IT COULD BE ONE OF THE OTHER TWO.

Hello Barry,

it is definitively not hippo, there are no black dots in a line, the clear indicator for hippo ivory.
BTW, very nice kris!

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 31st January 2011, 06:58 AM

Oh I agree this is from elephant ivory on the pommel. I would suggest that the blade might be Maguidanao, but the hilt rings - not too sure. Since they are not woven I would not say Sulu.

Spunjer · 31st January 2011, 03:50 PM

Nice kris

VVV · 31st January 2011, 04:36 PM

Impressing with that many talismanic symbols along the whole length of the blade!
And obviously a very nice kris too.
Thanks for sharing.

Michael

kai · 1st February 2011, 08:48 AM

Hello Dave and Lonna,

Congrats, another sweet piece!

Dimensions, please?

Quote:

Very surprised that every single bit of inlay is Intact. Nothing missing.
Also the ivory hilt looks a lot like a miniature jungayyan. Never seen one with
characteristics of both danganan and jungayyan.

The dots are very solid and unlikely to get lost compared to smaller inlay work. There seems to be quite a bit of wear on the engraved lines and I'd posit that these were once filled with silver too. If not it was certainly not a cost issue considering the amount of silver spent on the dots. Could you please verify wether the dots are drilled through the blade or are there distinct differences in their placement on both sides?

The hilt is special, indeed. I'd go for danganan - possibly Maguindanao with junggayan-like influences from Sulu if going out on a limb...

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 2nd February 2011, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

The hilt is special, indeed. I'd go for danganan - possibly Maguindanao with junggayan-like influences from Sulu if going out on a limb...

Regards,
Kai

Kai that would certainly fit with the blade that I believe is Maguindanao. Besides the pommel, what makes you think the hilt is Maguindanao in your opinion?

DaveS · 2nd February 2011, 01:29 AM

Kai: As far as i can tell, i think most of the dots are in line. Up near the tip
a few might not be quite in line. hard to tell. The blade is 20 inches long.
The pommel is four inches from crest to beak and not quite 2 inches long.
It does indeed look like a cross between jungayyan and danganan.
About equal influence i would say.........Dave.

DaveS · 2nd February 2011, 01:39 AM

Jose: The pommel is definitely elephant ivory.. I have a barong with walrus
ivory that i will be posting soon. You will be able to very clearly see the
differences between the two kinds......Dave.

Battara · 2nd February 2011, 05:18 AM

Oh I know the differences between the ivories and I agree that this is elephant.

But I never saw a walrus ivory barong........hope you post it soon..

30th January 2011, 06:47 PM	#1
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Kris with silver inlaid blade A very nice Kris that's in the custody of Lonna and Dave. Attached Images

30th January 2011, 10:31 PM	#2
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Very surprised that every single bit of inlay is Intact. Nothing missing. Also the ivory hilt looks a lot like a miniature jungayyan. Never seen one with characteristics of both danganan and jungayyan. What do you think....Dave.

31st January 2011, 03:28 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY ATTRACTIVE KRIS IT HAS A LOT MORE INLAY THAN I HAVE SEEN ON A KRIS BLADE THE ONLY OTHER BLADES WITH LOTS OF INLAY OF THAT SORT ARE ON SWORDS FROM BORNEO. I WONDER IF THE MAKER WAS INFLUENCED BY WEAPONS FROM BORNEO? THE IVORY IS INTERESTING I CAN'T TELL IF IT IS ELEPHANT OR VERY LARGE WHALE OR HIPPO. MOST LIKELY ELEPHANT BUT ITS POSSIBLE IT COULD BE ONE OF THE OTHER TWO.

31st January 2011, 03:29 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	I agree Dave it is any unusual type of pommel. All the silver dots are intact though I am a little surprised that the other engravings were not filled in with inlay also. Style preferences I suppose. Thanks Kino for posting these nice pieces from Dave and Lona. Great research.

31st January 2011, 04:59 AM	#5
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	The smaller size of the blade seems to indicate a sulu piece, but the handle looks like it has some Mindanao characteristics. I can't quite exactly place this one...........Dave.

31st January 2011, 05:04 AM	#6
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Jose: I was a little surprised too, that they would bother to cut all those grooves and not fill them in. Probably couldn't afford any more silver.... Dave

31st January 2011, 05:10 AM	#7
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Jose: Yes, it is surprising that they would go the trouble to cut all those grooves and then not to fill them in. Probably couldn't afford any more silver.......Dave.

31st January 2011, 05:11 AM	#8
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Sorry, double post....Dave

31st January 2011, 06:58 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	Oh I agree this is from elephant ivory on the pommel. I would suggest that the blade might be Maguidanao, but the hilt rings - not too sure. Since they are not woven I would not say Sulu.

31st January 2011, 03:50 PM	#11
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Nice kris

31st January 2011, 04:36 PM	#12
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Impressing with that many talismanic symbols along the whole length of the blade! And obviously a very nice kris too. Thanks for sharing. Michael

2nd February 2011, 01:29 AM	#15
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Kai: As far as i can tell, i think most of the dots are in line. Up near the tip a few might not be quite in line. hard to tell. The blade is 20 inches long. The pommel is four inches from crest to beak and not quite 2 inches long. It does indeed look like a cross between jungayyan and danganan. About equal influence i would say.........Dave.

2nd February 2011, 01:39 AM	#16
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Jose: The pommel is definitely elephant ivory.. I have a barong with walrus ivory that i will be posting soon. You will be able to very clearly see the differences between the two kinds......Dave.

2nd February 2011, 05:18 AM	#17
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	Oh I know the differences between the ivories and I agree that this is elephant. But I never saw a walrus ivory barong........hope you post it soon..