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Old 19th June 2009, 11:29 PM   #1
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Default Sumatra Keris for review.

First taste of... I hope the package will arrive this weekend
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Old 20th June 2009, 07:58 AM   #2
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Very nice minang kebau keris.
Followed the "auction" as well.

Sold all my minang kerisses some time ago but was tempted again to join the bidding. It looks like a very nice original combo.

Look forward to better pictures of the hilt!!!

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Old 20th June 2009, 08:51 PM   #3
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Hi Erik,

Too bad... the package did not arrive today.
So I will have to wait till monday.

It was brought back by someone who worked in Indonesia in the 1920's - 1930's. I am also quite curious about the hilt.
Looks pretty strange to me. as if it has been painted with red and gold paint

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Old 22nd June 2009, 05:39 PM   #4
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Hello Willem,
from the pic it look very nice.
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Old 26th June 2009, 01:24 AM   #5
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Hello Willem,

Nice Minang blade! Not too sure about the selut and the hilt though.

Any new pics?

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Old 26th June 2009, 04:28 PM   #6
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Not to sure about the selut either...

I am busy cleaning the blade and thinking about another selut because this one is really below any quality.

Hilt is nice . carved and painted in red and gold. a bit weird but seems genuine.

Will post some pics when the blade is cleaned.
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Old 26th June 2009, 05:59 PM   #7
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Hello Willem,

maybe let us see a closeup from the selut.

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Old 26th June 2009, 11:04 PM   #8
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Old 27th June 2009, 12:07 PM   #9
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Hello Willem,

nice Minang keris. I think that the selut is original, not the best quality but ok. Very nice hilt and pendok.

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Old 27th June 2009, 05:07 PM   #10
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I'm not so sure that the selut is as much bad quality as in bad condition. It looks to me that it may have originally had stones set around the top. At least those look like empty settings to me.
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Old 27th June 2009, 05:45 PM   #11
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Hi Willem,

Nice Minangkabau keris. Lovely luk 3 example. The blade form is nice, similar to ( mine ).. the selut form is original, top row used to be decorated with red stones, followed by wire-works decorations.. as David mentioned, the stones are missing.. ( see example ). Lovely hilt in jawa demam form.. does looks minang to me. Congrats!
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Old 27th June 2009, 08:14 PM   #12
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Thanks for the complete example Shahrial. Doesn't look so shabby when we see the original form.
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Old 28th June 2009, 12:45 AM   #13
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Thanks Sharial for the better example of this type selut.

Indeed these are settings, only one has a red stone and the others are deformed or missing. It also looks like someone has applied gold coloured paint to my selut.

I will see if it is possible to restore the selut.
Heating the complete selut in order to weld on new settings will probably destroy the thing.
But maybe a loose ring with settings can be made.
Will be quite some work, but the blade and hilt are worth it.

Thanks and best regards,
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Old 28th June 2009, 01:53 AM   #14
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I love the handle !
Nice !
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Old 28th June 2009, 07:13 AM   #15
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I love the handle !
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I too
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Old 28th June 2009, 09:07 AM   #16
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Hi Willem,

Lovely hilt in jawa demam form.. does looks minang to me. Congrats!
Hi Alam Shah,
If this hilt is not Minang, where is it from according to you ? I read that it is customary for the Minangkabau to wear gold-painted wooden krisses during wedding ceremonies.
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Old 28th June 2009, 03:33 PM   #17
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Hi Alam Shah,
If this hilt is not Minang, where is it from according to you ? I read that it is customary for the Minangkabau to wear gold-painted wooden krisses during wedding ceremonies.
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Jean, i think you may have misread Alam Shah's remarks. He says he thinks it is Minang.
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Old 28th June 2009, 07:23 PM   #18
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Jean, i think you may have misread Alam Shah's remarks. He says he thinks it is Minang.
Hi David and Alam Shah,
Hoops, sorry! I read it too fast and I agree about the likely Minang origin.
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Old 29th June 2009, 10:03 AM   #19
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... I read that it is customary for the Minangkabau to wear gold-painted wooden krisses during wedding ceremonies.
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Yup, I've read that too..
red and gold are traditional Minang colours - red (which symbolises courage), black (which symbolises strength) and yellow or gold (which symbolises victory)..
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Old 29th June 2009, 11:37 AM   #20
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Hello Sharial,

Thanks for the explanation about the colours.
I have not seen too many minang keris', but among those I have seen this is the first with such a carved and painted ukiran.

Personally I like ukiran that are less elobarately than this one.
But than again, this appears to be an original combi.

Do you have any idea about the age of this keris ?
The seller told me that a relative brought it back in the 1920' / 30' s.
But I would also not exclude that maybe this relative visited Indonesia again after the independance. Maybe in the 60' / 70's
In those years a lot of dutch people who lived and worked in Pre WW 2 Indonesia went into retirement and spent there time and money visiting Indonesia again.
Anyway , would like to hear your opinion (and other of course) on possible age of this keris

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Old 9th July 2009, 12:27 AM   #21
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I did some cleaning on the blade.

Any comments on how it is now ?
Seems like a very well executed blade to me.
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Old 9th July 2009, 12:57 PM   #22
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Hi Willem,

like I write before, a very nice keris, the blade is indeed very good worked. When I am you I will clean the blade until all corrosion is away and then I will blacken the blade. BTW, this keris would be a great a addition in my small Minang collection. Again, a very nice keris!!
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