Pamor

Gavin Nugent · 24th September 2015, 02:37 PM

Question;

Is there a specific name within the Keris world for blades that have distinct differing pamors on each blade face?

With thanks

Gavin

Rick · 24th September 2015, 04:20 PM

Dwi Warna, Gavin IIRC .
If I'm not someone will be along to correct the error soon .

Gavin Nugent · 25th September 2015, 02:28 AM

Thanks Rick,

I ran it through the translator to get an understanding of the literal translation;

Dwi was not recognised but Warna is colour so if I was to hazard a guess this would be double colour?

Could this term then be used on a blade that also shows two pamor on the one face of the blade?

With thanks

Gavin

Rick · 25th September 2015, 02:53 AM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search...earchid=519555

Gavin Nugent · 25th September 2015, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search...earchid=519555

Some helpful reading, thank you.

Gavin

Rick · 25th September 2015, 03:21 AM

I thought it the best way for me to help you, Gav .

A. G. Maisey · 26th September 2015, 10:04 AM

in this context of pamor, 'warna' means pamor.

'dwi' = two

'tri' = three

'panca' = five.

thus dwi warna = two pamors, tri warna = three pamors, panca warna = five pamors

Gavin Nugent · 27th September 2015, 12:36 AM

Hi Alan,

Am I correct in the application of these words being that it can refer to both a differing pamor to each face and also differing pamors to one face or is there more specific terms when drilling down this much.

With thanks

Gavin

A. G. Maisey · 27th September 2015, 01:15 AM

no gavin, these terms only refer to differing pamors that are the same on each blade face, when you have a different pamor on each blade face it is called pamor tangkis and is considered to be a protective device against black magic.

Gavin Nugent · 27th September 2015, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

no gavin, these terms only refer to differing pamors that are the same on each blade face, when you have a different pamor on each blade face it is called pamor tangkis and is considered to be a protective device against black magic.

Thank you Alan.

Sajen · 27th September 2015, 11:56 AM

Keris tangkis example.

Gustav · 28th September 2015, 10:49 AM

On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.

Gavin Nugent · 28th September 2015, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.

Thank you Gustav.

I am wondering about the name in other keris cultures too, Malaysia, Southern Thailand, Sumatra, Bali and the many others...Would Bali fall under the Java name perhaps?

Gavin

Sajen · 28th September 2015, 11:21 AM

[QUOTE=Gavin Nugent]...Would Bali fall under the Java name perhaps?/QUOTE]

I doubt.

David · 17th February 2021, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.

i am resurrecting this old thread because i just encountered this name Pamor Seliwah regarding such pamor in Lombok in another place so this can confirm that name to a certain extent, though it is quite possible this other source got this info from Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga to begin with. I believe in Jawa this would also be referred to as keris tangkis.
Here is my humble example.

24th September 2015, 02:37 PM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Pamor Question; Is there a specific name within the Keris world for blades that have distinct differing pamors on each blade face? With thanks Gavin

26th September 2015, 10:04 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	in this context of pamor, 'warna' means pamor. 'dwi' = two 'tri' = three 'panca' = five. thus dwi warna = two pamors, tri warna = three pamors, panca warna = five pamors Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 27th September 2015 at 08:03 AM. Reason: after effects of anaesthesia

27th September 2015, 11:56 AM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,770	Keris tangkis example. Attached Images

24th September 2015, 04:20 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Dwi Warna, Gavin IIRC . If I'm not someone will be along to correct the error soon .

25th September 2015, 02:28 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks Rick, I ran it through the translator to get an understanding of the literal translation; Dwi was not recognised but Warna is colour so if I was to hazard a guess this would be double colour? Could this term then be used on a blade that also shows two pamor on the one face of the blade? With thanks Gavin

25th September 2015, 02:53 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search...earchid=519555

25th September 2015, 03:21 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	I thought it the best way for me to help you, Gav .

27th September 2015, 12:36 AM	#8
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hi Alan, Am I correct in the application of these words being that it can refer to both a differing pamor to each face and also differing pamors to one face or is there more specific terms when drilling down this much. With thanks Gavin

27th September 2015, 01:15 AM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	no gavin, these terms only refer to differing pamors that are the same on each blade face, when you have a different pamor on each blade face it is called pamor tangkis and is considered to be a protective device against black magic.

28th September 2015, 10:49 AM	#12
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.

28th September 2015, 11:21 AM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,770	[QUOTE=Gavin Nugent]...Would Bali fall under the Java name perhaps?/QUOTE] I doubt.