Dave and Lonna's recent find a Moro Kris

kino · 8th December 2011, 06:26 AM

I'm posting this for Dave S.
Give us the stats Dave. Does it have a scabbard? What is the wrap around the handle.

Spunjer · 8th December 2011, 02:35 PM

appears to be leather. similar to this:

VANDOO · 8th December 2011, 08:17 PM

A VERY NICE OLD BLADE WITH A GREAT PATTERN. THE HANDLE IS NOT OF A PHILIPPINE FORM AND MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES A MALAYSAN OR INDONESIAN GOD FORM USED ON THE KERIS DAGGERS.
PERHAPS THE KRISS BLADE WAS ALSO MADE IN MALAYSIA OR INDONESIA OR IT MAY BE A MORO BLADE WITH A KERIS FORM OF HANDLE ADDED

. EITHER WAY IT LOOKS NICE. DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE HANDLE AND BLADE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER LONG?

Spunjer · 8th December 2011, 08:29 PM

nah, vandoo, it's moro; handle, blade and all. you just don't see this type of handle too often. there was one posted not too long ago

here's an older version:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10934

Spunjer · 8th December 2011, 08:56 PM

here's a closer one

Battara · 9th December 2011, 04:04 AM

Thank you Ron, great example. An old form of hilt that may harken back to Indonesian forms.

ThePepperSkull · 9th December 2011, 08:43 AM

Wherever she comes from, she sure is purdy. I say it every time one pops up here: I am in love with the elegance of the older form Moro Kris. Wonderful!

Say, we see straight, five-waved, or seven/more waves on Moro kris from all notable eras. Why is it that we only see the three-waved moro kris/keris sundang on the really older pieces?

VVV · 9th December 2011, 02:32 PM

This Kris hilt-form with a half Jawa Demam is very interesting.
In his Kris CD Karsten Sejr Jensen attributed his Kris to Borneo (attached), probably because of the sheath. I also found one on eBay (that used to belong to another member of this forum) this Summer, unfortunately not as good as Dave and Lonna's or Karsten's.

Michael

CCUAL · 9th December 2011, 05:06 PM

Hello Dave, Lonna, how are you guys? Nice kris, but I like this one better.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=garuda

DaveS · 9th December 2011, 08:20 PM

Albert: No scabbard unfortunatly. The blade measures 19 inches, the handle
5 inches. The handle appears to be the normal hemp wrap with the black
lacquer cover or whatever it is that they used. The feather pattern is also
the deepest that iv'e ever seen. I simply can't figure out how it was done.
Was it etched, or was it pattern-welded. If one looks closely at the edges
of the blade by the gangya, where the deep part of the pattern ends there
are little strands of what appears to be nickle. Can anyone shed any light
on just how they did these twist-core patterns. Some look etched, some
look like they used nickel, and some look like a combination of the two....Dave

Rick · 9th December 2011, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveS

Albert: No scabbard unfortunatly. The blade measures 19 inches, the handle
5 inches. The handle appears to be the normal hemp wrap with the black
lacquer cover or whatever it is that they used. The feather pattern is also
the deepest that iv'e ever seen. I simply can't figure out how it was done.
Was it etched, or was it pattern-welded. If one looks closely at the edges
of the blade by the gangya, where the deep part of the pattern ends there
are little strands of what appears to be nickle. Can anyone shed any light
on just how they did these twist-core patterns. Some look etched, some
look like they used nickel, and some look like a combination of the two....Dave

I have been wondering the same thing about the topographic features of the core, Dave .

D'you suppose the blade was taken to the point where it was almost finished except for the final sharpen and polish, and then treated with a resist, acid etched in that area and then given the final polish/sharpening; or was it done after ?

VANDOO · 9th December 2011, 09:44 PM

COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THIS WAS DONE THE SAME WAY A KERIS IS SOMETIMES DONE. TWO SECTIONS OF PARMOR FORGED ONTO A STEEL CORE ONE ON EACH SIDE.? NO MATTER HOW IT WAS DONE IT IS REMARKABLE.

Rick · 10th December 2011, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THIS WAS DONE THE SAME WAY A KERIS IS SOMETIMES DONE. TWO SECTIONS OF PARMOR FORGED ONTO A STEEL CORE ONE ON EACH SIDE.? NO MATTER HOW IT WAS DONE IT IS REMARKABLE.

Hi Barry, that may be the case, but it still does not explain the topography of the pattern welding .

DaveS · 10th December 2011, 09:38 PM

Chris: Hi. Haven't heard from you in quite a while. It's true the ivory hilt
is much better looking than the wooden hilt, but i think the patterning is
better in this example. Are you going to be able to make the Pasadena Knife
Show in March?..........Dave.

CCUAL · 11th December 2011, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveS

Chris: Hi. Haven't heard from you in quite a while. It's true the ivory hilt
is much better looking than the wooden hilt, but i think the patterning is
better in this example. Are you going to be able to make the Pasadena Knife
Show in March?..........Dave.

Dave, if you're tired taking care of the ivory twistedcore kris let me know, I can take care of 'em for ya! Make sure to bring 'em in Pasadena in March.
Sent you an email.

DaveS · 12th December 2011, 04:01 AM

We have all seen twist-core krises, campilons, panabas, i have been
lucky enough to get a twist-core bolo, but has anyone ever seen a twist-
core barong. I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about someone owning
one. I suspect that there has to be one somewhere floating about...Dave

DaveS · 12th December 2011, 04:09 AM

Rick: It might be like some Javanese kris. Very heavily etched to produce
a very rough blade. Could this panel also have been forged separately and
then welded into the blade as a completely separate piece?......Dave.

Spunjer · 12th December 2011, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveS

We have all seen twist-core krises, campilons, panabas, i have been
lucky enough to get a twist-core bolo, but has anyone ever seen a twist-
core barong. I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about someone owning
one. I suspect that there has to be one somewhere floating about...Dave

IMHO, i don't think it's feasible nor practical to have a twistcore in a barung due to its shape, reason why we haven't seen any...

8th December 2011, 06:26 AM	#1
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,007	Dave and Lonna's recent find a Moro Kris I'm posting this for Dave S. Give us the stats Dave. Does it have a scabbard? What is the wrap around the handle. Attached Images

8th December 2011, 02:35 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	appears to be leather. similar to this: Attached Images

8th December 2011, 08:29 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	nah, vandoo, it's moro; handle, blade and all. you just don't see this type of handle too often. there was one posted not too long ago here's an older version: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10934 Last edited by Spunjer; 8th December 2011 at 08:49 PM.

8th December 2011, 08:56 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	here's a closer one Attached Images

9th December 2011, 02:32 PM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	This Kris hilt-form with a half Jawa Demam is very interesting. In his Kris CD Karsten Sejr Jensen attributed his Kris to Borneo (attached), probably because of the sheath. I also found one on eBay (that used to belong to another member of this forum) this Summer, unfortunately not as good as Dave and Lonna's or Karsten's. Michael Attached Images

8th December 2011, 08:17 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY NICE OLD BLADE WITH A GREAT PATTERN. THE HANDLE IS NOT OF A PHILIPPINE FORM AND MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES A MALAYSAN OR INDONESIAN GOD FORM USED ON THE KERIS DAGGERS. PERHAPS THE KRISS BLADE WAS ALSO MADE IN MALAYSIA OR INDONESIA OR IT MAY BE A MORO BLADE WITH A KERIS FORM OF HANDLE ADDED . EITHER WAY IT LOOKS NICE. DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE HANDLE AND BLADE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER LONG?

9th December 2011, 04:04 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	Thank you Ron, great example. An old form of hilt that may harken back to Indonesian forms.

9th December 2011, 08:43 AM	#7
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Wherever she comes from, she sure is purdy. I say it every time one pops up here: I am in love with the elegance of the older form Moro Kris. Wonderful! Say, we see straight, five-waved, or seven/more waves on Moro kris from all notable eras. Why is it that we only see the three-waved moro kris/keris sundang on the really older pieces?

9th December 2011, 05:06 PM	#9
CCUAL Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 76	Hello Dave, Lonna, how are you guys? Nice kris, but I like this one better. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=garuda

9th December 2011, 08:20 PM	#10
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Albert: No scabbard unfortunatly. The blade measures 19 inches, the handle 5 inches. The handle appears to be the normal hemp wrap with the black lacquer cover or whatever it is that they used. The feather pattern is also the deepest that iv'e ever seen. I simply can't figure out how it was done. Was it etched, or was it pattern-welded. If one looks closely at the edges of the blade by the gangya, where the deep part of the pattern ends there are little strands of what appears to be nickle. Can anyone shed any light on just how they did these twist-core patterns. Some look etched, some look like they used nickel, and some look like a combination of the two....Dave

9th December 2011, 09:44 PM	#12
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THIS WAS DONE THE SAME WAY A KERIS IS SOMETIMES DONE. TWO SECTIONS OF PARMOR FORGED ONTO A STEEL CORE ONE ON EACH SIDE.? NO MATTER HOW IT WAS DONE IT IS REMARKABLE.

10th December 2011, 09:38 PM	#14
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Chris: Hi. Haven't heard from you in quite a while. It's true the ivory hilt is much better looking than the wooden hilt, but i think the patterning is better in this example. Are you going to be able to make the Pasadena Knife Show in March?..........Dave.

12th December 2011, 04:01 AM	#16
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Anyone seen a twist-core barong? We have all seen twist-core krises, campilons, panabas, i have been lucky enough to get a twist-core bolo, but has anyone ever seen a twist- core barong. I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about someone owning one. I suspect that there has to be one somewhere floating about...Dave

12th December 2011, 04:09 AM	#17
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Rick: It might be like some Javanese kris. Very heavily etched to produce a very rough blade. Could this panel also have been forged separately and then welded into the blade as a completely separate piece?......Dave.