...Back to the Sanduko

Spunjer · 23rd February 2005, 10:09 PM

well, finally made it back today and as promised, i will be posting some pics. first about the sanduko. i found these pics in museo iloilo; too bad, can't find anything for sale. maybe zelbone will have better luck...

Spunjer · 23rd February 2005, 10:14 PM

...and here are the museum's pieces.
enjoy

Spunjer · 23rd February 2005, 10:15 PM

...some more

Ian · 23rd February 2005, 10:16 PM

Welcome back Spunjer ... glad you got back in one piece.

The sanduko described here is similar to the picture shown in Levine. The exaggerated upturned toe of the sanduko's scabbard seems a characterisitc of this weapon.

Spunjer · 23rd February 2005, 10:27 PM

i would like to specially thank you ian, and also zamboanga, for a very informative and detailed advice that you two has given me. it helped me a lot in acquiring my pieces. maraming pung salamat...

Ian · 23rd February 2005, 10:56 PM

kong kaibigan po.

LabanTayo · 23rd February 2005, 11:14 PM

spunjer,
holy crap. those are beautiful. i'm glad you got to see them in person. you'll have to pass on the address to us.
more info for the study. more questions to ask, and more headaches putting it all together.
give me a call this week if you can. i wanna hear about LSA and Panay.
glad your back in one piece, pare.

Federico · 24th February 2005, 05:09 AM

Awesome pics. So does this mean the long nose and turned scabbard tip mark these pieces as Mondo vs other demon hilted pieces from Panay? What other groups in Panay then make this demon hilt style? Wow... Interesting the museum supports the wave theory of PI settlement vs the more popular in Manila land bridge theory. Never liked the land bridge theory myself. Very cool stuff.

Conogre · 24th February 2005, 07:27 AM

Feeling inadequate..."Wow!!!"
Simply beautiful, and thank you so very much for the information.
One question....I can't make it out very well in the photographs....are the Mondo spears bare butted (keep it down, guys **grin**) all to often a great amount of detail is invested in the heads and mountings with the other end entirely neglected.
"@%#^$%& but those are sweet"
Mike

Spunjer · 24th February 2005, 01:23 PM

federico,
actually, that's a very interesting question. prior to going back to the islands, i brought pictures of sandata (visayan and moro) i was planning to acquire, hoping it would be easier to describe that way. pictures included close up pics of the hilts. the odd thing is, no one in iloilo province recognized the diety hilts, and i even travelled three hours inland, rural areas as well. if it wasn't for the last day museum visit, i would've given up hope on these weapons. i asked the museum curator about these specific type of sundang and she said that these are indeginous weapons to these tribe. panay island include the capiz and antique province as well, maybe it's more common in those areas. there are couple of antique stores, and none recognized those sundangs.

conogre,
the spears have metal spikes on them. and yes, they are @%#^$%& sweet! i half jokingly asked the curator if they were willing to sell me some of their pieces, lol. i was actually allowed to touched it, but wasn't allowed to pull it out...

BSMStar · 24th February 2005, 11:41 PM

The deity hilts have always been fascinating to me. Good luck and happy hunting on your research in this area! And to you too, LabanTayo!

zelbone · 26th February 2005, 10:51 AM

Nice pics, Spunger! I'll definately have to stop at that Museum in Iloilo. Maybe I'll have better luck scrounging around Aklan province...I'll be there for a week in May. I've already put the word out to my relatives that I'm looking for old bolos...who knows what I'll find, but I may hit the motherload

! I've also arranged for a panday to make a bolo for me in Balete and maybe one in Tangalan...it will be interesting to see one being made.

BTW...how was training with the Davao LSA crew? I hear they're pretty hardcore.

Spunjer · 27th February 2005, 01:40 PM

good luck, zel. since that's mondo territory you might have better chance of finding binangons and such. check out sm city, bottom floor, in iloilo city, the one in jaro. there's an antique dealer, goes by the name arthur, that just opened a week before i got there. you might luck out with him.
as for training with manolo (LSA), it was great! can't believe fma can tax my cardio that bad! truth is, that's one aspect of the trip i really, really missed

. will definitely be the highlight of my next trip, and hopefully, soon.

wilked aka Khun Deng · 4th March 2005, 02:03 PM

Ron, Glad to see you made back Ok and great pics of yet another sword I'm unfamiliar with --- Thanks!

haven't had time time to keep up with the forum but I'm checking for that one you told me about. Sunday off and I'll try and catch up!

Dan

mmontoro · 4th March 2005, 05:26 PM

Those are great Spunjer. I had never seen the scabbards before. Thanks for sharing those. Here is a link to one many of you have probably seen at Oriental-Arms:

http://oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1043

Spunjer · 4th March 2005, 11:17 PM

dan,
nice to hear from you. it's really too bad we didn't get to spend some time. good luck and hopefully you'll find what you're looking for. be very careful!!!

mmontoro,
yes, i've been eyeing that piece

, he he...

migueldiaz · 13th September 2009, 03:28 PM

A friend who's from Panay Island in the Visayan region showed me recently his antique sanduko, per pics below.

If these long-nosed sandukos got this trait from Pinocchio, then the one below would probably be the biggest liar of them all

The metal cladding of the hilt is all made of silver fashioned from old coins.

[Spunjer, thanks for this thread. I've haven't been to the Iloilo Museum, and your pics provide a good primer.]

ThePepperSkull · 13th September 2009, 05:38 PM

I have a modern made sanduko from Panay in this style that I purchased recently. I'll post pics as soon as I get the camera out.

Battara · 14th September 2009, 12:28 AM

What a nice piece and glad you showed it. Helpful to show more of these and in different types of silver work. Maraming Salamat.

23rd February 2005, 10:09 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	...Back to the Sanduko well, finally made it back today and as promised, i will be posting some pics. first about the sanduko. i found these pics in museo iloilo; too bad, can't find anything for sale. maybe zelbone will have better luck... Attached Images

23rd February 2005, 10:14 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	...and here are the museum's pieces. enjoy Attached Images

23rd February 2005, 10:15 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	...some more Attached Images

23rd February 2005, 10:56 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Walang anuman ... kong kaibigan po.

13th September 2009, 03:28 PM	#17
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	A friend who's from Panay Island in the Visayan region showed me recently his antique sanduko, per pics below. If these long-nosed sandukos got this trait from Pinocchio, then the one below would probably be the biggest liar of them all The metal cladding of the hilt is all made of silver fashioned from old coins. [Spunjer, thanks for this thread. I've haven't been to the Iloilo Museum, and your pics provide a good primer.] Attached Images

23rd February 2005, 10:16 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Welcome back Spunjer ... glad you got back in one piece. The sanduko described here is similar to the picture shown in Levine. The exaggerated upturned toe of the sanduko's scabbard seems a characterisitc of this weapon.

23rd February 2005, 10:27 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i would like to specially thank you ian, and also zamboanga, for a very informative and detailed advice that you two has given me. it helped me a lot in acquiring my pieces. maraming pung salamat...

23rd February 2005, 11:14 PM	#7
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	spunjer, holy crap. those are beautiful. i'm glad you got to see them in person. you'll have to pass on the address to us. more info for the study. more questions to ask, and more headaches putting it all together. give me a call this week if you can. i wanna hear about LSA and Panay. glad your back in one piece, pare.

24th February 2005, 05:09 AM	#8
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Awesome pics. So does this mean the long nose and turned scabbard tip mark these pieces as Mondo vs other demon hilted pieces from Panay? What other groups in Panay then make this demon hilt style? Wow... Interesting the museum supports the wave theory of PI settlement vs the more popular in Manila land bridge theory. Never liked the land bridge theory myself. Very cool stuff.

24th February 2005, 07:27 AM	#9
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	Feeling inadequate..."Wow!!!" Simply beautiful, and thank you so very much for the information. One question....I can't make it out very well in the photographs....are the Mondo spears bare butted (keep it down, guys grin) all to often a great amount of detail is invested in the heads and mountings with the other end entirely neglected. "@%#^$%& but those are sweet" Mike

24th February 2005, 01:23 PM	#10
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	federico, actually, that's a very interesting question. prior to going back to the islands, i brought pictures of sandata (visayan and moro) i was planning to acquire, hoping it would be easier to describe that way. pictures included close up pics of the hilts. the odd thing is, no one in iloilo province recognized the diety hilts, and i even travelled three hours inland, rural areas as well. if it wasn't for the last day museum visit, i would've given up hope on these weapons. i asked the museum curator about these specific type of sundang and she said that these are indeginous weapons to these tribe. panay island include the capiz and antique province as well, maybe it's more common in those areas. there are couple of antique stores, and none recognized those sundangs. conogre, the spears have metal spikes on them. and yes, they are @%#^$%& sweet! i half jokingly asked the curator if they were willing to sell me some of their pieces, lol. i was actually allowed to touched it, but wasn't allowed to pull it out...

24th February 2005, 11:41 PM	#11
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	The deity hilts have always been fascinating to me. Good luck and happy hunting on your research in this area! And to you too, LabanTayo!

26th February 2005, 10:51 AM	#12
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Nice pics, Spunger! I'll definately have to stop at that Museum in Iloilo. Maybe I'll have better luck scrounging around Aklan province...I'll be there for a week in May. I've already put the word out to my relatives that I'm looking for old bolos...who knows what I'll find, but I may hit the motherload ! I've also arranged for a panday to make a bolo for me in Balete and maybe one in Tangalan...it will be interesting to see one being made. BTW...how was training with the Davao LSA crew? I hear they're pretty hardcore.

27th February 2005, 01:40 PM	#13
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	good luck, zel. since that's mondo territory you might have better chance of finding binangons and such. check out sm city, bottom floor, in iloilo city, the one in jaro. there's an antique dealer, goes by the name arthur, that just opened a week before i got there. you might luck out with him. as for training with manolo (LSA), it was great! can't believe fma can tax my cardio that bad! truth is, that's one aspect of the trip i really, really missed . will definitely be the highlight of my next trip, and hopefully, soon.

4th March 2005, 02:03 PM	#14
wilked aka Khun Deng Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 166	Ron, Glad to see you made back Ok and great pics of yet another sword I'm unfamiliar with --- Thanks! haven't had time time to keep up with the forum but I'm checking for that one you told me about. Sunday off and I'll try and catch up! Dan

4th March 2005, 05:26 PM	#15
mmontoro Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	Those are great Spunjer. I had never seen the scabbards before. Thanks for sharing those. Here is a link to one many of you have probably seen at Oriental-Arms: http://oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1043

4th March 2005, 11:17 PM	#16
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	dan, nice to hear from you. it's really too bad we didn't get to spend some time. good luck and hopefully you'll find what you're looking for. be very careful!!! mmontoro, yes, i've been eyeing that piece , he he...

13th September 2009, 05:38 PM	#18
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	I have a modern made sanduko from Panay in this style that I purchased recently. I'll post pics as soon as I get the camera out.

14th September 2009, 12:28 AM	#19
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	What a nice piece and glad you showed it. Helpful to show more of these and in different types of silver work. Maraming Salamat.