Atjeh weapons Gold on Handle

Dajak · 6th December 2006, 07:09 PM

Is the an book That has some explanation about the gold on the Handle off Atjeh weapons

Robert · 6th December 2006, 08:19 PM

Dajak, I know nothing about these but could you post pictures of these wonderful weapons that show them complete? Thank you.

Robert

VVV · 6th December 2006, 08:33 PM

Ben,

Try to find Hands of Time: The Crafts of Aceh by Barbara Leigh.
ISBN 979 428 110 7
Then there are of course dozens of old articles and books about Aceh but I think she has compiled most of it nicely together in her book.

Michael

Battara · 6th December 2006, 08:39 PM

Thank you for posting - I love gold Aceh things.

Dajak · 6th December 2006, 08:54 PM

Hi Michael thanks I just order the book ( I did have it in my collection but someone did not give it back to me)
but I am looking for a book that tells what it means if the is one 2 or 3 golden
crowns on the weapon

maybe you now a special book about this subject You are the book search expert if some one can find it it will be you.

Ben

VVV · 6th December 2006, 09:28 PM

Probably the amount of golden crowns only shows how rich the owner was?

Maybe you could find something in this article:

De Sikin by P. Vermieren from De Vrienden van het Etnografisch Museum Antwerpen, XIV(2), 2 (1987).

Haven't found it yet myself.
But you are closer to Antwerpen than I am.
Please arrange a copy for me too.

Michael

Dajak · 7th December 2006, 08:30 PM

Hi Michael I did send them an email

Thanks Ben

RhysMichael · 7th December 2006, 10:48 PM

I am out of town so I do not have my copy of Barbara Leigh's book but I remember it did talk about the shape on these devices near the handle I will try to look it up friday night when I get home

RhysMichael · 8th December 2006, 11:00 PM

OK In "Hands of Time" they call the v shaped design at the hilt of the panjang and the rencongPucuk Rebung it is supposed to represent the sprouting bamboo. the figure at teh end of the hule mea apet is called duan tebu I need to get a good translation on that term. They describe it as representing the sprouting sugar cane.

Dajak · 9th December 2006, 01:44 PM

Hi RhysMichael I like to know when they use when they use normal crows double crowns and who allowed to carry it

Ben

RhysMichael · 9th December 2006, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi RhysMichael I like to know when they use when they use normal crows double crowns and who allowed to carry it

Ben

Ben
I've never read anything on that. The crowns are the "Pucuk Rebung" and appear to be a vegatative motif. Maybe Utami would be able to tell you he is in Indonesia and has a good bit of information on Aceh swords. There is some reference in the small amount of reference material I have also about a star shaped decoration on the hilts called a tampok that is taken from the star shaped decorations on the top of the traditional royal Achenese hat that my help you with what you are looking for. I wish I knew more to offer you I will keep looking. I have found little more in Barbara Leigh's book and nothing more in Holly Smith's book.

John

utami · 12th December 2006, 02:20 PM

John, I knew a little about acehnese weapon & culture.

Pucuk Rebung Motif
Pucuk = the sprout
Rebung = bamboo shoots.
In indo malay rebung were used as food, my mother often cooked bamboo shoots curry

This motif also can be found in their tradisional clothes, sarong and Woven cloth. Pucuk Rebung also can be found in other ethnic / region such as malay, lampung, riau, palembang and other part of sumatra. West sumatran / Minangkabau named this motif as Pucuak Rabuang . The Pucuk Rebong symbolised the fertility and the happiness in the life of humankind and the symbol of the life.

Pic of Rebung

Pucuk Rebung ( the tip of cloth ) on Tapis ( Lampung Woven cloth ),

Pic of Pucuk Rebung on Songket Palembang ( Palembang Woven cloth )

Cropped & Sharpen image of original dajak pics

These image clearly show the triangular-shaped pattern similiar to Pic of Rebung.

Aceh Translation related to weaponry

Daun = Leaf
Tebu = Sugar Cane
Daun Tebu = Sugar Cane Leaf

Meu is verb
Apet = jaga / kawal = Guarded
Meu Apet = penjaga / pengawal = "The guard"

Hulu = gagang = Hilt
Peusangan = name of river / name of subdistricts in Bireuen, Aceh
Beunteung = The fence that was made from bamboo
Meutampo Meueh = Bersepuh Emas = "Gold Polish / Gold Plating"

According to some acehnesse, the gold on hilt / handle / scabbard only can be made / owned for Panglima ( commander , chieftains ), teungku ( the noble ) and hig respected persons.

Hope this helps

Dajak · 13th December 2006, 08:22 AM

Hi all thanks the explanation very nice

.................................................. .................................................. ....according to some acehnesse, the gold on hilt / handle / scabbard only can be made / owned for Panglima ( commander , chieftains ), teungku ( the noble ) and hig respected persons
by Utami
.................................................. .................................................. ...

This I wanna know Thanks

Ben

RhysMichael · 14th December 2006, 12:58 AM

Once again Utami your comments have been a great deal of help. You are too modest about what you know about these swords
Thank you
John

6th December 2006, 07:09 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Atjeh weapons Gold on Handle Is the an book That has some explanation about the gold on the Handle off Atjeh weapons Attached Images

12th December 2006, 02:20 PM	#12
utami Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Java, Indonesia Posts: 49	John, I knew a little about acehnese weapon & culture. Pucuk Rebung Motif Pucuk = the sprout Rebung = bamboo shoots. In indo malay rebung were used as food, my mother often cooked bamboo shoots curry This motif also can be found in their tradisional clothes, sarong and Woven cloth. Pucuk Rebung also can be found in other ethnic / region such as malay, lampung, riau, palembang and other part of sumatra. West sumatran / Minangkabau named this motif as Pucuak Rabuang . The Pucuk Rebong symbolised the fertility and the happiness in the life of humankind and the symbol of the life. Pic of Rebung Pucuk Rebung ( the tip of cloth ) on Tapis ( Lampung Woven cloth ), Pic of Pucuk Rebung on Songket Palembang ( Palembang Woven cloth ) Cropped & Sharpen image of original dajak pics These image clearly show the triangular-shaped pattern similiar to Pic of Rebung. Aceh Translation related to weaponry Daun = Leaf Tebu = Sugar Cane Daun Tebu = Sugar Cane Leaf Meu is verb Apet = jaga / kawal = Guarded Meu Apet = penjaga / pengawal = "The guard" Hulu = gagang = Hilt Peusangan = name of river / name of subdistricts in Bireuen, Aceh Beunteung = The fence that was made from bamboo Meutampo Meueh = Bersepuh Emas = "Gold Polish / Gold Plating" According to some acehnesse, the gold on hilt / handle / scabbard only can be made / owned for Panglima ( commander , chieftains ), teungku ( the noble ) and hig respected persons. Hope this helps Last edited by utami; 13th December 2006 at 07:46 AM.

6th December 2006, 08:19 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Dajak, I know nothing about these but could you post pictures of these wonderful weapons that show them complete? Thank you. Robert

6th December 2006, 08:33 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Ben, Try to find Hands of Time: The Crafts of Aceh by Barbara Leigh. ISBN 979 428 110 7 Then there are of course dozens of old articles and books about Aceh but I think she has compiled most of it nicely together in her book. Michael

6th December 2006, 08:39 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	Thank you for posting - I love gold Aceh things.

6th December 2006, 08:54 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael thanks I just order the book ( I did have it in my collection but someone did not give it back to me) but I am looking for a book that tells what it means if the is one 2 or 3 golden crowns on the weapon maybe you now a special book about this subject You are the book search expert if some one can find it it will be you. Ben

6th December 2006, 09:28 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Probably the amount of golden crowns only shows how rich the owner was? Maybe you could find something in this article: De Sikin by P. Vermieren from De Vrienden van het Etnografisch Museum Antwerpen, XIV(2), 2 (1987). Haven't found it yet myself. But you are closer to Antwerpen than I am. Please arrange a copy for me too. Michael

7th December 2006, 08:30 PM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael I did send them an email Thanks Ben

7th December 2006, 10:48 PM	#8
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	I am out of town so I do not have my copy of Barbara Leigh's book but I remember it did talk about the shape on these devices near the handle I will try to look it up friday night when I get home

8th December 2006, 11:00 PM	#9
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	OK In "Hands of Time" they call the v shaped design at the hilt of the panjang and the rencongPucuk Rebung it is supposed to represent the sprouting bamboo. the figure at teh end of the hule mea apet is called duan tebu I need to get a good translation on that term. They describe it as representing the sprouting sugar cane.

9th December 2006, 01:44 PM	#10
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi RhysMichael I like to know when they use when they use normal crows double crowns and who allowed to carry it Ben

13th December 2006, 08:22 AM	#13
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi all thanks the explanation very nice .................................................. .................................................. ....according to some acehnesse, the gold on hilt / handle / scabbard only can be made / owned for Panglima ( commander , chieftains ), teungku ( the noble ) and hig respected persons by Utami .................................................. .................................................. ... This I wanna know Thanks Ben

14th December 2006, 12:58 AM	#14
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Once again Utami your comments have been a great deal of help. You are too modest about what you know about these swords Thank you John