kindly requested to advise on the origin of this Ottoman dagger

gp · 13th May 2021, 03:51 PM

first of all to our friends who indulge in sugar now

:

happy Eid el Fitr / Bayram mubarak Olsun

hope you and ofcouse other Forum members can help me as I am puzzled.

This dagger bought at an auction was described as :

Turkey - 19th century - dagger,
With wootz blade silver kofgary
Horn hilt , silver Leather scabbard

to me it could be 20th century as well but it certainly is Ottoman.
My question is ... from where..?
Some characteristics indicate perhaps Surmene ( the 2 small fullers at the blade) but the horn blade and more important the star/sun sign I have seen on Bosnian daggers, specially from Foca...

Any idea? Your opinion about the dagger in general is most highly appreciated ! thnx a lot

mariusgmioc · 14th May 2021, 07:38 AM

Hello,

You mention wootz blade. Can you show us a photo with the wootz pattern please?

To me, the two grooves that go all the way up to the tip are an indication of a repurposed, bigger and older blade.

gp · 14th May 2021, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello,

You mention wootz blade. Can you show us a photo with the wootz pattern please?

To me, the two grooves that go all the way up to the tip are an indication of a repurposed, bigger and older blade.

Wootz blade was the seller’s description but as soon as I get the dagger, I shall certainly post more detailed pics. Thank you already for your first very interesting reaction. Makes me more eager to check the dagger upon arrival.

RSWORD · 14th May 2021, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello,

You mention wootz blade. Can you show us a photo with the wootz pattern please?

To me, the two grooves that go all the way up to the tip are an indication of a repurposed, bigger and older blade.

Probably a repurposed yataghan blade. The style, placement and decoration of the koftgari and fullering is typical of those blades.

Sajen · 14th May 2021, 09:10 PM

I would concur with the Surmene attribution but I am not an expert!

gp · 22nd May 2021, 01:18 PM

just arrived and cleaned some dirt of scabbard and handle/grip with some virgin olive oil. The floral like decorations on the scabbard do let me remind of the scabbard of this bichaq: http://vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.p...8&postcount=67
although the dagger (handle and blade) differs

Here are some pics. Looking forward very much again to your comments

gp · 22nd May 2021, 01:21 PM

some more pics

13th May 2021, 03:51 PM	#1
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 717	kindly requested to advise on the origin of this Ottoman dagger first of all to our friends who indulge in sugar now: happy Eid el Fitr / Bayram mubarak Olsun hope you and ofcouse other Forum members can help me as I am puzzled. This dagger bought at an auction was described as : Turkey - 19th century - dagger, With wootz blade silver kofgary Horn hilt , silver Leather scabbard to me it could be 20th century as well but it certainly is Ottoman. My question is ... from where..? Some characteristics indicate perhaps Surmene ( the 2 small fullers at the blade) but the horn blade and more important the star/sun sign I have seen on Bosnian daggers, specially from Foca... Any idea? Your opinion about the dagger in general is most highly appreciated ! thnx a lot Attached Images Last edited by gp; 13th May 2021 at 08:57 PM.

14th May 2021, 07:38 AM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Hello, You mention wootz blade. Can you show us a photo with the wootz pattern please? To me, the two grooves that go all the way up to the tip are an indication of a repurposed, bigger and older blade. Last edited by mariusgmioc; 14th May 2021 at 12:05 PM.

22nd May 2021, 01:18 PM	#6
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 717	just arrived and cleaned some dirt of scabbard and handle/grip with some virgin olive oil. The floral like decorations on the scabbard do let me remind of the scabbard of this bichaq: http://vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.p...8&postcount=67 although the dagger (handle and blade) differs Here are some pics. Looking forward very much again to your comments Attached Images Last edited by gp; 22nd May 2021 at 09:34 PM.

22nd May 2021, 01:21 PM	#7
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 717	some more pics Attached Images

14th May 2021, 09:10 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,770	I would concur with the Surmene attribution but I am not an expert!