A Barong with possible twistcore?

Croccifixio · 8th July 2016, 04:40 PM

I purchased this from Mang Ven again the other day only because of the very faint possibility of twist core laminations in the middle. I shone a LED flashlight on it and there seemed to be an ever so slight twist in an area at the middle of the blade. I have tried my best to show it but even then, it's very very faint.

I normally etch after polishing in warm white vinegar, but in thise case, should I look for FeCL? Or do you think the vinegar would be enough?

mross · 8th July 2016, 07:36 PM

Well, as you said I see something in the middle but to faint to tell. Could be twistcore could be lamination. I would go with the vinegar first, just my 2 cents.

Sajen · 8th July 2016, 08:36 PM

Agree with Mross. Think is just very fine lamination. Nice barong.

Regards,
Detlef

kai · 9th July 2016, 02:13 AM

Hello Joren,

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I purchased this from Mang Ven again the other day only because of the very faint possibility of twist core laminations in the middle. I shone a LED flashlight on it and there seemed to be an ever so slight twist in an area at the middle of the blade. I have tried my best to show it but even then, it's very very faint.

This doesn't look like twistcore to me - would love to be proven wrong though!

In any case, the clear linear pattern is not that common and a good addition to any Moro collection.

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I normally etch after polishing in warm white vinegar, but in thise case, should I look for FeCL? Or do you think the vinegar would be enough?

While vinegar may be enough to reveal details, it may also take several rounds of polishing and etching.

A quick wipe with ferric chloride is faster for exploring laminations and pattern welding and completely reversible with ample neutralisation, and a final round of polishing and etching with vinegar (or coconut water). Just make sure that ferric chloride does't get into any cracks and crevices (especially at the base of the hilt), is washed off with copious amounts of water, and thoroughly neutralised since it is really corrosive and keeps nagging on any blade/tang (or many other metals as well as organic materials) if any traces are left.

Regards,
Kai

Croccifixio · 9th July 2016, 02:42 AM

Ah, that makes me not want to risk FeCL on such a nice piece. I'll go the vinegar route. Actually I already started polishing one side so I suppose there's no turning back.

Croccifixio · 22nd July 2016, 10:32 AM

Clearly no twistcore, but a nice lamination indeed. I need to etch it deeper to bring out the full pattern but ran out of vinegar. Will continue the etch next week (and might re-polish the whole thing - there were plenty of deep scratches left from an old sharpening).

Joren

Edit: Pics didn't attach initially.

Battara · 23rd July 2016, 03:07 PM

Laminations seemed to come out well on that one side!

Croccifixio · 24th July 2016, 04:23 AM

Yeah that side was also better polished. I'll have to redo the side that didn't take.

Also out of vinegar so I'm gonna buy a bigger bottle.

Sajen · 24th July 2016, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Croccifixio

Yeah that side was also better polished. I'll have to redo the side that didn't take.

Hello Croccifixio,

in my experience it's often the case that by one side the lamination come out better as by the other one. But the blade would benefit from a better and finer polish for sure.

Best regards,
Detlef

kai · 24th July 2016, 12:50 PM

Hello Detlef,

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in my experience it's often the case that by one side the lamination come out better as by the other one. But the blade would benefit from a better and finer polish for sure.

I can't remember this for barung blades (quality can be quite different on each side though). I agree that several rounds of polishing often do the trick.

Joren, I would not try to polish out deep scratches since this would mean removing a lot of metal. It's often enough to remove the light scratches for getting a nicer look. And don't use power tools...

Regards,
Kai

Croccifixio · 24th July 2016, 05:00 PM

Noted Detlef, Kai, and many thanks.

Yes it took me a few hours' worth of 15 minute breaks at the office to get the polish to a decent level at 1000 grit on one side (spending 90% of the time on 600 grit). I might spend another few hours just to fix the less attractive side. The difference is quite stark in person.

8th July 2016, 04:40 PM	#1
Croccifixio Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 33	A Barong with possible twistcore? I purchased this from Mang Ven again the other day only because of the very faint possibility of twist core laminations in the middle. I shone a LED flashlight on it and there seemed to be an ever so slight twist in an area at the middle of the blade. I have tried my best to show it but even then, it's very very faint. I normally etch after polishing in warm white vinegar, but in thise case, should I look for FeCL? Or do you think the vinegar would be enough? Attached Images

22nd July 2016, 10:32 AM	#6
Croccifixio Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 33	Clearly no twistcore, but a nice lamination indeed. I need to etch it deeper to bring out the full pattern but ran out of vinegar. Will continue the etch next week (and might re-polish the whole thing - there were plenty of deep scratches left from an old sharpening). Joren Edit: Pics didn't attach initially. Attached Images Last edited by Croccifixio; 22nd July 2016 at 03:24 PM.

8th July 2016, 07:36 PM	#2
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Well, as you said I see something in the middle but to faint to tell. Could be twistcore could be lamination. I would go with the vinegar first, just my 2 cents.

8th July 2016, 08:36 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Agree with Mross. Think is just very fine lamination. Nice barong. Regards, Detlef

9th July 2016, 02:42 AM	#5
Croccifixio Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 33	Ah, that makes me not want to risk FeCL on such a nice piece. I'll go the vinegar route. Actually I already started polishing one side so I suppose there's no turning back.

23rd July 2016, 03:07 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Laminations seemed to come out well on that one side!

24th July 2016, 04:23 AM	#8
Croccifixio Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 33	Yeah that side was also better polished. I'll have to redo the side that didn't take. Also out of vinegar so I'm gonna buy a bigger bottle.

24th July 2016, 05:00 PM	#11
Croccifixio Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 33	Noted Detlef, Kai, and many thanks. Yes it took me a few hours' worth of 15 minute breaks at the office to get the polish to a decent level at 1000 grit on one side (spending 90% of the time on 600 grit). I might spend another few hours just to fix the less attractive side. The difference is quite stark in person.