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this keris I have found the last days that I stay in djogyakarta
I think its a nice keris and the scabbards stil one the way for this keris regards semar |
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Suminep work?
The greneng seem to be inspired by Sumatran style. Regards, Kai |
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no this is no madura work I`m sorry this is a java blade
regards semar |
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Semar, if you are certain that this is a Javanese blade, read no further, however, when I look at this blade I can see something that has some characteristics that have been rendered in a manner reminiscent of a Javanese blade, and a greneng that is most definitely not of any known Javanese style.
But if you're quite certain its Javanese, OK, end of story, its Javanese. |
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I`m sorry for my leat reply
I have aske 2 peopel In djogya that cleaning keris and the say the blade is javanees but I`m open for any comment regards semar |
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My opinion stands.
Others are equally entitled their own opinions. |
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Semar, thank you for sharing. Nice blade |
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Well, i assume we are looking at a contemporary keris. Please correct me if i am wrong. As Alan points out, this blade does not seem to fall into any known Javanese Pakem. But i have seen some very creative license applied to some modern keris, so i suppose it is possible this was made in Jawa and that technically a keris made in Jawa is a Javanese keris.
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David, you're more generous than I am.
I cannot see a Javanese hand anywhere in this blade. If it was made in Jawa, it was not made by Javanese person. However, as I've already said:- all are entitled to their own opinions. |
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![]() I;m just trying to look at all sides of this. My first inclination is to suspect Madura as origin. |
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David, I haven't seen anything like this from Madura, nor as recent production from anywhere. Usually when you see something different that has come from Madura, you don't see one, you see a number. Semar has just obtained this in Jogja, and it could be that its a new creation, in which case, it is likely that I will see similar next time I go.
However, if it is not Madura work, it has come from somewhere outside Jawa, I have no doubt of that at all. The greneng is something that simply does not exist in the Javanese lexicon.The other blade features have a very stiff look to them, they do not flow as is usual in Javanese work. It is difficult to comment on the material, because of the variations that can occur in the photographic process, however, if the photos are an accurate representation of colour and texture, this material certainly has the appearance of some of the material that comes out of Madura. If we say a blade is Javanese, we then need to be able to classify it in broad terms, according to tangguh. If we do this we need to be able to support that classification. It is absolutely impossible to attribute any Javanese tanguuh, of which I have knowledge, to this keris. |
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thank you for al the comment
I don`t know of this blade is from java I can tel only what 2 differend peopel tel me about this blad but the inportend thing of all is that I like the blade otherwis I don`t buy this one regards semar |
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and that, Semar, is the only valid reason to buy any keris:-
because you like it. In this context, the comments of others do not matter one iota. |
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