india armor for identification

[weapons 27]

can you give me your opinion on this armor, I think what is for a child, or small men, having regard to the width of the helmet and the char aina
the helmet is 20 cm by 17 cm, the links in the chain mail are 5 mm in diameter, not riveted.no tip on top of the helmet.

the two plates the wider char aina measuring 30.5 cm by 22 cm, the smaller two measuring 26 cm by 20 cm, diameter inside 31 cm long by 23 cm wide.weight 2kg600gr.

the bazuband measures 33 cm more than 15 cm of chain mail, 5 mm diameter

[weapons 27]

more photograph

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chir aina

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chair aina

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the hole on the top of the helmet measures 3.3 mm in diameter,

[weapons 27]

any suggestions on the "origin of this armor?

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by weapons 27

any suggestions on the "origin of this armor?

I would say it is Indian in style, the arm guards look like dastana (the Indian version of bazu band), the helmet as well looks like an Indian "top" with the sliding nose guard having a old style of catch, and except for the edging on the dastana there seems to be no decorations on any of the armors, no engravings etc. The char aina does not seem to have any way to attach a cloth lining, as in small holes or attachments for sewing a lining to the armor, add to this the fact that the mail is not riveted and there are none of the usual embellishments I would say that this armor is a lower quality armor meant for the tourist or replica sales market.

[weapons 27]

When I found this armor, it was completely rusted (see inside the helmet, and yet I cleaned it) there was inside the helmet, char aina, and the arm protection of tissue remains, which were stuck, I have could not preserved these remains to be able to cleaned the armor and the protected, the tissue was completely loose.in my opinion I think more armor of quality child medium...

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by weapons 27

When I found this armor, it was completely rusted (see inside the helmet, and yet I cleaned it) there was inside the helmet, char aina, and the arm protection of tissue remains, which were stuck, I have could not preserved these remains to be able to cleaned the armor and the protected, the tissue was completely loose.in my opinion I think more armor of quality child medium...

It is always a good idea to photograph an item before cleaning as there may be clues to its age etc.. By tissue do you mean cloth? Was it glued in or sewn to the metal. Unfortunately there is not a data base of images to draw from and I am not exactly sure how linings on a char aina were attached, I know some seem to be sewn in place through small holes around the edges and possibly glued down also but other char aina do not have these holes and the cloth lining may have been only glued in place. I do have a lot of images saved on my computer. I think you have to look at your armor items as individual items that may have been put together as there is not a decorative element in common as you would expect from a matching set.

I did find a char aina that looks a lot like yours, it is hinged and edged like yours and has no decoration, and I found one more that was hinged like yours but has scalloped edges and holes for sewing a lining in place.

Can you take better photos of the dastana, are there any small holes around the edges?

On the top of your helmet, how is the piece on the top attached, is it riveted, I can not tell from the images, is the bowl all one piece?

More detained images of the hinges and buckles would be helpful as well.

[weapons 27]

I made new photos in the day

[weapons 27]

the top of the helmet is riveted, see picture.
the helmet is in one piece...
so the tissue or cloth was pasted, see the picture of the fragment I retrieved.
dastana there are small holes has different places...and chain mail is 6 mm in diameter

[weapons 27]

char aina

[estcrh]

Those images are better, the char aina and the dastana look much older close up. I have measurements of an adult dastana that are like yours but with decorations, they are 12.5 in (31.75 cm) long and 3 in (7.62 cm) across the wrist, how does that compare to yours?

[weapons 27]

has something ready the sizes match. I think that the men at that time were small enough!

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams for those not familiar with the forum reference please hit this one http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=indian+armour
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[estcrh]

Ibrahiim thanks for that link.

Weapons 27, here are the measurements for the char aina I posted with the yellow back round.
Front 11-1/8 inches (28.25cm) x 9-3/4 inches (24.76 cm), Side 11-1/8 inches (28.25cm) x 5-3/4 inches (14.60 cm), Back 11-1/8 inches (28.25cm) x 10-1/8 inches (25.71 cm). Inside diameter 11-1/22 inches (29.21 cm) x 9-1/2 inches (24.13 cm). Maybe the men were small?

[weapons 27]

Here are the sizes of mine, both large 30,5cmx22cm, the two sides 26cmx20cm and the diameter inside 31cmx 23 cm
that is why I think that the men were of small size, has a few thing ready are the sizes of your...

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by weapons 27

Here are the sizes of mine, both large 30,5cmx22cm, the two sides 26cmx20cm and the diameter inside 31cmx 23 cm
that is why I think that the men were of small size, has a few thing ready are the sizes of your...

What is the inside diameter of your helmet?

[weapons 27]

the helmet is 20 cm x17cm diameter also, small head!
I have an another helmet kajar period which measures 20 cm x 19 cm.

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helmet kajar

[estcrh]

Here is helmet that I believe is Indian, it has an inside diameter of 7.5 inches (19.05 cm) x 7.5 inches (19.05 cm).